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<blockquote data-quote="Lord_Blacksteel" data-source="post: 7726833" data-attributes="member: 53082"><p>I can see being around that episode in particular might cause one to be more protective of it. Makes a lot of sense.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I started with Holmes Basic and the Greyhawk Folio was the only campaign setting we had for years once it came out. I still have a pair of the poster maps up on my game room wall. So I'm a GH fan myself but that's another issue I had with this whole thing - "Oh it's tied to Greyhawk" except:</p><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It's an entirely different, heretofore unseen and unmentioned, continent unrelated to the Flanaess</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It's separated by an ocean ruled by a kingdom of giant squids so no easy crossover with GH (mentioned by Frank)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It has completely different gods (mentioned by Frank)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It has no political or racial connections (at least mentioned thus far) to any nation in Greyhawk.</li> </ul><p></p><p>So, there is literally no connection to Greyhawk, nothing that ties it to the setting we've been playing in for 37 years. Heck, considering it uses at least part of one Judges Guild map it has more of a connection to the Wilderlands or the CSIO than it does Greyhawk. I noticed they pulled back from making this association once the KS actually started but it has come up in various chats and discussions about the project and it's disingenuous at best. Gary's not here any more to say "Yep, that's part of Greyhawk", WOTC certainly isn't going to say it, and from everything they have shared it has as many in-game ties to GH as the Forgotten Realms does. </p><p></p><p>And now the project has cratered with Frank blaming everyone else for its failure. It's incredibly disappointing.</p><p><em></em></p><p><em>And now we finally come to my ‘controversial’ stance on what crowdfunding become to some. You’ve been burned. Amateurs and money-hunters have taken your money and never delivered. Worse yet, some big names in the history of our hobby stumbled on the platform (crowdfunding itself). So you want more security, more safety. The sites won’t deliver that of course, they want profits, not liabilities. So you tighten up, only back sure things, with finished covers, mostly or fully written, preferably in full layout, and not less – even when the author has written dozens of published works.</em> </p><p></p><p>I haven't been burned. No one has taken my money and not delivered. I'm up over 30 projects backed and I've never had one that funded not deliver. That's not because I'm particularly lucky or smart - it's because I did some basic research before I started throwing money at these things. It's not difficult to pick up some common red flags that signal a Kickstarter that's likely to deliver way late, or never deliver at all. Guess what? Your project had a bunch of them! And look how it turned out!</p><p></p><p>Oh and "Amateurs" - right. Not at all like the "Pros" who ran this thing right into the ground. </p><p></p><p><em>So put it behind us, and let’s get back to gaming. </em></p><p></p><p>On this at least, I think we can all agree.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lord_Blacksteel, post: 7726833, member: 53082"] I can see being around that episode in particular might cause one to be more protective of it. Makes a lot of sense. I started with Holmes Basic and the Greyhawk Folio was the only campaign setting we had for years once it came out. I still have a pair of the poster maps up on my game room wall. So I'm a GH fan myself but that's another issue I had with this whole thing - "Oh it's tied to Greyhawk" except: [LIST] [*]It's an entirely different, heretofore unseen and unmentioned, continent unrelated to the Flanaess [*]It's separated by an ocean ruled by a kingdom of giant squids so no easy crossover with GH (mentioned by Frank) [*]It has completely different gods (mentioned by Frank) [*]It has no political or racial connections (at least mentioned thus far) to any nation in Greyhawk. [/LIST] So, there is literally no connection to Greyhawk, nothing that ties it to the setting we've been playing in for 37 years. Heck, considering it uses at least part of one Judges Guild map it has more of a connection to the Wilderlands or the CSIO than it does Greyhawk. I noticed they pulled back from making this association once the KS actually started but it has come up in various chats and discussions about the project and it's disingenuous at best. Gary's not here any more to say "Yep, that's part of Greyhawk", WOTC certainly isn't going to say it, and from everything they have shared it has as many in-game ties to GH as the Forgotten Realms does. And now the project has cratered with Frank blaming everyone else for its failure. It's incredibly disappointing. [I] And now we finally come to my ‘controversial’ stance on what crowdfunding become to some. You’ve been burned. Amateurs and money-hunters have taken your money and never delivered. Worse yet, some big names in the history of our hobby stumbled on the platform (crowdfunding itself). So you want more security, more safety. The sites won’t deliver that of course, they want profits, not liabilities. So you tighten up, only back sure things, with finished covers, mostly or fully written, preferably in full layout, and not less – even when the author has written dozens of published works.[/I] I haven't been burned. No one has taken my money and not delivered. I'm up over 30 projects backed and I've never had one that funded not deliver. That's not because I'm particularly lucky or smart - it's because I did some basic research before I started throwing money at these things. It's not difficult to pick up some common red flags that signal a Kickstarter that's likely to deliver way late, or never deliver at all. Guess what? Your project had a bunch of them! And look how it turned out! Oh and "Amateurs" - right. Not at all like the "Pros" who ran this thing right into the ground. [I]So put it behind us, and let’s get back to gaming. [/I] On this at least, I think we can all agree. [/QUOTE]
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