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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7742923"><p>I do get what you're saying. I use the "you think" phrasing too, but only out of habit I try not to.</p><p></p><p>I guess the question is what you do if the player doesn't go along with what you told him he "thinks". </p><p></p><p>If the DM says, "you think the branch won't take your weight" and the player says, "I climb out on it anyway" I suspect most DMs would raise their eyebrow but say, "oooookay....". (Or "Are you sure...?")</p><p></p><p>But somehow when the DM says "you think he is persuasive" it's not ok...for some people in this thread...if the player takes an action that contradicts that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, I agree. I was really making a devil's advocate argument. I was trying to point out that, for those arguing that it's the <em>character's</em> mind that resists the persuasion, not the players, then it's inconsistent to allow the player to...well...do almost anything, really, but in this case specifically I mean put forward an argument that might be persuasive. To be consistent would require that you only roll dice to determine how good the argument is. Which I think is silly.</p><p></p><p>As I said earlier, if the DM is going to decide how good of an argument a player makes to an NPC (in the form of DCs or bonuses) then it's only fair and consistent that the player gets to decide the same when the NPC is attempting to persuade his character.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 7742923"] I do get what you're saying. I use the "you think" phrasing too, but only out of habit I try not to. I guess the question is what you do if the player doesn't go along with what you told him he "thinks". If the DM says, "you think the branch won't take your weight" and the player says, "I climb out on it anyway" I suspect most DMs would raise their eyebrow but say, "oooookay....". (Or "Are you sure...?") But somehow when the DM says "you think he is persuasive" it's not ok...for some people in this thread...if the player takes an action that contradicts that. Yes, I agree. I was really making a devil's advocate argument. I was trying to point out that, for those arguing that it's the [I]character's[/I] mind that resists the persuasion, not the players, then it's inconsistent to allow the player to...well...do almost anything, really, but in this case specifically I mean put forward an argument that might be persuasive. To be consistent would require that you only roll dice to determine how good the argument is. Which I think is silly. As I said earlier, if the DM is going to decide how good of an argument a player makes to an NPC (in the form of DCs or bonuses) then it's only fair and consistent that the player gets to decide the same when the NPC is attempting to persuade his character. [/QUOTE]
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