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<blockquote data-quote="Grue" data-source="post: 6141716" data-attributes="member: 11989"><p>If survival was what mattered, the Freys (and Bolton) could have just pledged their banners to Lannister and closed down the Twins to the North. Tywin brought the Tyrells back under Joffery with a marriage alliance (and no penalty that I remember) and in regard to the Dornishmen the Martells have a very big axe to grind with the Lannisters over the near blood feud due to the killing of Princess Elia and her two children with Rhaegar Targaryen. </p><p></p><p>Given the importance and what should be a huge stigma of breaking the salt bond (punished by gods and not just men) in a world that should be fairly superstitious, Tywin is way out line if the Red Wedding was demanded as a condition of Frey\Bolton survival. Especially considering that Tywin while ruthless is also practical... pardoning the Freys and Bolton to have them switch sides a small payoff considering he would know how precarious the Lannister position was at that moment. I don't see Walder (and Bolton) being in a total panic to make any sort of deal to survive... merely switching sides good enough to ensure a pardon. They wanted more than survival but they sold cheap considering he could have just buttoned up and sat on the fence a bit longer with a reasonably intact force if Tywin proved intransigent. </p><p></p><p>I'm just going with the 'curse pushed Frey to take that last step' rather than a flaw in the Red Wedding setup. You do not break the salt bond that way (in a world that has more reason to believe it than we do) unless the stakes are comparitively huge or madness or extreme passion (or both) drive you to it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Grue, post: 6141716, member: 11989"] If survival was what mattered, the Freys (and Bolton) could have just pledged their banners to Lannister and closed down the Twins to the North. Tywin brought the Tyrells back under Joffery with a marriage alliance (and no penalty that I remember) and in regard to the Dornishmen the Martells have a very big axe to grind with the Lannisters over the near blood feud due to the killing of Princess Elia and her two children with Rhaegar Targaryen. Given the importance and what should be a huge stigma of breaking the salt bond (punished by gods and not just men) in a world that should be fairly superstitious, Tywin is way out line if the Red Wedding was demanded as a condition of Frey\Bolton survival. Especially considering that Tywin while ruthless is also practical... pardoning the Freys and Bolton to have them switch sides a small payoff considering he would know how precarious the Lannister position was at that moment. I don't see Walder (and Bolton) being in a total panic to make any sort of deal to survive... merely switching sides good enough to ensure a pardon. They wanted more than survival but they sold cheap considering he could have just buttoned up and sat on the fence a bit longer with a reasonably intact force if Tywin proved intransigent. I'm just going with the 'curse pushed Frey to take that last step' rather than a flaw in the Red Wedding setup. You do not break the salt bond that way (in a world that has more reason to believe it than we do) unless the stakes are comparitively huge or madness or extreme passion (or both) drive you to it. [/QUOTE]
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