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GAME OF THRONES #6 :-BEYOND THE WALL--Season 7 EPISODE #66
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<blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 7205405" data-attributes="member: 54629"><p>That could be it. When he stabbed that wight that was trying to get at Mormont, he wasn't wielding Longclaw, right? That time, it went down but then got up again, which is when Jon lit it on fire.</p><p></p><p>Speaking of that, he appeared to be hurt by the fire. Dany is immune to fire (and very hot water) but Jon appears not to be. But then Viserys wasn't either. So maybe not all Targaryens are. And since Jon was able to survive being dunked in an icy lake and a long ride home in sopping wet furs, maybe he is immune to cold instead? That would certainly fit with the whole ice and fire theme.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Other thoughts:</p><p></p><p>I think it would've been a lot cooler (and made more sense) if the Night King had had those undead giants we saw earlier in the season haul Viserion's body out of the ice. Using massive chains that came out of nowhere was just lame. Where'd they get them from? Hardhome? What would the wildlings have needed all those massive chains for? And I guess the Night King ordered some of the wights to swim (or walk) down to the bottom of the lake to attach them to the dragon corpse?</p><p></p><p>I can't decide if the capture of the wight was just lazy writing or a deliberate trap on the part of the Night King. It was just too damn convenient that they found a lone patrol, and that when Jon killed the white walker leading the patrol, all but one wight de-animated. If it was deliberate, the Night King must have known they were coming and why, and thus that one wight was planted in the patrol as bait. If it wasn't, well, that sure was convenient that the patrol happened to include exactly one wight that the walker hadn't animated itself. (As an aside, was it just me, or do the wights have some kind of hive mind? At one point the Hound kicks the captive wight, it shrieks, and then there's an answering shriek from the horde surrounding the lake, as if they all felt the kick too.)</p><p></p><p>Oh, and of course the Night King just happened to have some ice javelins on hand ... as if he was expecting dragons to show up. (Or was he going to chuck them at Bran's ravens the next time they fly past?) If it turns out it was just his lucky day, I'll be surprised. I feel like he must be able to see the future like Bran. He certainly has some kind of magical vision powers, since he could see (and touch) Bran while he was remote viewing the walkers and their army that one time.</p><p></p><p>I wish we could get some insight into how the Night King thinks and what it is that the wants. We know that, on the show at least, he is essentially a weapon gone rogue. But why has he waited so long to reappear? And what is he hoping to achieve? Is he Westeros' icy equivalent of Orcus, hoping to turn the world into an endless snowscape populated only by undead?</p><p></p><p>I have some theories: Perhaps he was dormant for a long time, or perhaps it's taken him a very long time to build up his army. If Craster's male babies were his only source of fresh white walkers, then I imagine it would've taken him a while to build them up. (Since he turns them into walkers as babies, it would seem like they'd still have to spend at least some time growing to adult size.)</p><p></p><p>One other thing: People like to joke about how long it's taken the army of the undead to reach the Wall. I don't think they've been on the march this whole time. I think they must have some kind of home base, from which they've been striking out on specific missions (killing wildlings, attacking the Night's Watch expedition at the Fist of the First Men, attacking Hardhome, picking up Craster's babies, and so on). I'd say they've only just started marching on the Wall for real now. I think Bran even said as much in his message to Jon, didn't he? And the fact that they seemed to be marching towards Eastwatch ties back in with my theory above that the Night King knew if he went there, he'd get himself a dragon ... Otherwise, why go specifically to Eastwatch? It's not like they can go around the Wall.</p><p></p><p>Wights can pass the Wall but Uncle Benjen and the white walkers can't because magic. But even so, if I were the Night King, I'd head for one of the numerous abandoned fortresses with a gate through the Wall, not a manned fortress by the sea ... unless I had had visions leading me to that location. Of course, the Hound *also* had a vision leading him to that location. Hmm ...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pukunui, post: 7205405, member: 54629"] That could be it. When he stabbed that wight that was trying to get at Mormont, he wasn't wielding Longclaw, right? That time, it went down but then got up again, which is when Jon lit it on fire. Speaking of that, he appeared to be hurt by the fire. Dany is immune to fire (and very hot water) but Jon appears not to be. But then Viserys wasn't either. So maybe not all Targaryens are. And since Jon was able to survive being dunked in an icy lake and a long ride home in sopping wet furs, maybe he is immune to cold instead? That would certainly fit with the whole ice and fire theme. Other thoughts: I think it would've been a lot cooler (and made more sense) if the Night King had had those undead giants we saw earlier in the season haul Viserion's body out of the ice. Using massive chains that came out of nowhere was just lame. Where'd they get them from? Hardhome? What would the wildlings have needed all those massive chains for? And I guess the Night King ordered some of the wights to swim (or walk) down to the bottom of the lake to attach them to the dragon corpse? I can't decide if the capture of the wight was just lazy writing or a deliberate trap on the part of the Night King. It was just too damn convenient that they found a lone patrol, and that when Jon killed the white walker leading the patrol, all but one wight de-animated. If it was deliberate, the Night King must have known they were coming and why, and thus that one wight was planted in the patrol as bait. If it wasn't, well, that sure was convenient that the patrol happened to include exactly one wight that the walker hadn't animated itself. (As an aside, was it just me, or do the wights have some kind of hive mind? At one point the Hound kicks the captive wight, it shrieks, and then there's an answering shriek from the horde surrounding the lake, as if they all felt the kick too.) Oh, and of course the Night King just happened to have some ice javelins on hand ... as if he was expecting dragons to show up. (Or was he going to chuck them at Bran's ravens the next time they fly past?) If it turns out it was just his lucky day, I'll be surprised. I feel like he must be able to see the future like Bran. He certainly has some kind of magical vision powers, since he could see (and touch) Bran while he was remote viewing the walkers and their army that one time. I wish we could get some insight into how the Night King thinks and what it is that the wants. We know that, on the show at least, he is essentially a weapon gone rogue. But why has he waited so long to reappear? And what is he hoping to achieve? Is he Westeros' icy equivalent of Orcus, hoping to turn the world into an endless snowscape populated only by undead? I have some theories: Perhaps he was dormant for a long time, or perhaps it's taken him a very long time to build up his army. If Craster's male babies were his only source of fresh white walkers, then I imagine it would've taken him a while to build them up. (Since he turns them into walkers as babies, it would seem like they'd still have to spend at least some time growing to adult size.) One other thing: People like to joke about how long it's taken the army of the undead to reach the Wall. I don't think they've been on the march this whole time. I think they must have some kind of home base, from which they've been striking out on specific missions (killing wildlings, attacking the Night's Watch expedition at the Fist of the First Men, attacking Hardhome, picking up Craster's babies, and so on). I'd say they've only just started marching on the Wall for real now. I think Bran even said as much in his message to Jon, didn't he? And the fact that they seemed to be marching towards Eastwatch ties back in with my theory above that the Night King knew if he went there, he'd get himself a dragon ... Otherwise, why go specifically to Eastwatch? It's not like they can go around the Wall. Wights can pass the Wall but Uncle Benjen and the white walkers can't because magic. But even so, if I were the Night King, I'd head for one of the numerous abandoned fortresses with a gate through the Wall, not a manned fortress by the sea ... unless I had had visions leading me to that location. Of course, the Hound *also* had a vision leading him to that location. Hmm ... [/QUOTE]
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