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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6428847" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>Please remember this is all my opinion... and it is 1 of 2 problems I have with the OGL...</p><p></p><p>Every edition had a lag. A point when people didn't want to change. There are early adaptors, but the big push comes later, first with secondary adpters who see the early ones likeing it, then in a second wave wanting to try new things and slowly growing impatient with the lack of support for there old edition... there are hold overs every time though.</p><p></p><p>This time the early adaptors changed to 4e, but then pathfinder came out... and where the second wave was now divided (some going to pathfinder and some to 4e) we had a large on set of tribalism... I was at gen con the year Piazo sold there beta rules in a hard back, and was in line at Mcdonalds across the street listening to someone reading it telling his friend he would never support a money grabing **** company like WotC... and when my friend with me asked him how he could justify spending money on one new edition over another, it got pretty rude. I saw this again and again at FLGS, COns, even on these boards. then came the fact that the wave never came of people sick of a non supported edition...</p><p></p><p>point blank I blame the OGL for pathfinder, and I blame pathfinder for a lot of fratured games, and even some lost friends.</p><p></p><p> I will respectively disagree...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>well the second problem was more immediate, and had multi sub layers to it. It increased bloat of rules, and created some big issues of balance. 3rd parties were very hit or miss, and if a DM wasn't paying close attention you had problems... now there are ways to deal with them, but each just made new ones. My friends went from "Anything" to "WotC allowed, everything else case by case" to just "Only WotC" in a few years time. The real problems where way to nuianced to bring up, so I will speak in generality...</p><p></p><p>3rd parties taking good idea's and making what looks on the surface to be a good system that once you really look into is horrable broken and messes up games with no quality control</p><p></p><p>3rd parties and wotc offering variant on the same idea forcing DMs to choose and when 2 different players want different thigns caused problems</p><p></p><p>3rd parties reprinting player handbooks</p><p></p><p>3rd parties stealing an edtion and egging on the edition wars</p><p></p><p></p><p>edit: the irony is I am so sick of Edition wars, and now that I think about it, that is what this is going to turn into... people are already bad mouthing 4e (so far my fav edition of the game) and here I am trying to explain my thoughts, and someone is going to twist it into me hateing pizo (even thought I own both of there card games and love them). I don't hate Piazo, a lot of good people work there, I do hate what they started, and a lot of there fans carried out over the last 6 or 7 years though...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6428847, member: 67338"] Please remember this is all my opinion... and it is 1 of 2 problems I have with the OGL... Every edition had a lag. A point when people didn't want to change. There are early adaptors, but the big push comes later, first with secondary adpters who see the early ones likeing it, then in a second wave wanting to try new things and slowly growing impatient with the lack of support for there old edition... there are hold overs every time though. This time the early adaptors changed to 4e, but then pathfinder came out... and where the second wave was now divided (some going to pathfinder and some to 4e) we had a large on set of tribalism... I was at gen con the year Piazo sold there beta rules in a hard back, and was in line at Mcdonalds across the street listening to someone reading it telling his friend he would never support a money grabing **** company like WotC... and when my friend with me asked him how he could justify spending money on one new edition over another, it got pretty rude. I saw this again and again at FLGS, COns, even on these boards. then came the fact that the wave never came of people sick of a non supported edition... point blank I blame the OGL for pathfinder, and I blame pathfinder for a lot of fratured games, and even some lost friends. I will respectively disagree... well the second problem was more immediate, and had multi sub layers to it. It increased bloat of rules, and created some big issues of balance. 3rd parties were very hit or miss, and if a DM wasn't paying close attention you had problems... now there are ways to deal with them, but each just made new ones. My friends went from "Anything" to "WotC allowed, everything else case by case" to just "Only WotC" in a few years time. The real problems where way to nuianced to bring up, so I will speak in generality... 3rd parties taking good idea's and making what looks on the surface to be a good system that once you really look into is horrable broken and messes up games with no quality control 3rd parties and wotc offering variant on the same idea forcing DMs to choose and when 2 different players want different thigns caused problems 3rd parties reprinting player handbooks 3rd parties stealing an edtion and egging on the edition wars edit: the irony is I am so sick of Edition wars, and now that I think about it, that is what this is going to turn into... people are already bad mouthing 4e (so far my fav edition of the game) and here I am trying to explain my thoughts, and someone is going to twist it into me hateing pizo (even thought I own both of there card games and love them). I don't hate Piazo, a lot of good people work there, I do hate what they started, and a lot of there fans carried out over the last 6 or 7 years though... [/QUOTE]
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