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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6433917" data-attributes="member: 5834"><p>I do not view it as such and never will. An American of African descent is just that. Hyphenating is nothing more than additional unnecessary social engineering. The nationality of person born in America is American. If their ancestors were from Africa, their genetic background is African, undetermined for most for obvious historical reasons. I do not, nor will I ever, practice the false addition of hyphenating American. I understand why it was done. But the reason for its existence is racist. It is divisive and implies something that is not true, and never should have been true: that certain people due to their ethnic background are somehow separate from other Americans. Never was a good idea, but I get the reasoning given there was very little choice other than to take control of a negative racial stereotype propagated by the majority. I won't participate in the fiction since I never participated in the previous negative racial fiction. As far as I'm concerned a person born in America is an American, no attachment necessary. They do not to my knowledge do this anywhere else in the world save America due to our history. I don't see people of African descent in England going "I"m African-British" or a German saying "I'm African-German." It's our own ridiculous history that has lead to this absurd notion of hyphenating what should be a united people. I hope we move past it. I've done so myself and do not intend to alter my viewpoint to appease anyone.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No. They were in the <em>Forgotten Realms</em> supplements. Core books always use generic races. Modify as you wish.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you notice in this thread, you are the only person concerned with the issue of race. What does that say about your personal bias? Do you see the problem with attempting to "step away" from my experiences? I think yours are coloring this issue far more than my own or even the vast majority of fantasy movie goers. The Drizz't books were huge sellers. It did not in anyway turn off book buyers that the drow were Dark Elves. I doubt they showed any of the same concerns you are showing now. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Anyone playing <em>Forgotten Realms</em> knew of them. They were in <em>Forgotten Realms</em> supplements. I believe <em>Forgotten Realms</em> was the biggest selling shared world WotC ever produced. The <em>Forgotten Realms</em> novels were their biggest selling novels. How could you not know about these things if you have been following D&D? <em>Forgotten Realms</em> was the D&D world for what must have been 10 to 15 years.</p><p></p><p>I feel like your personal bias is coloring this discussion. You want to racialize a topic that was never a problem before. Drizz't has been selling books for 20 years. Suddenly WotC can't make a Drizz't movie due to racial concerns? Where were all these concerns when Drizz't became the biggest selling WotC character in their history? A Drizz't movie wouldn't offend anyone but the most sensitive of people. All the tens of thousands or more readers of the novels would love to see a movie with their favorite dual wielding Drow Elf.</p><p></p><p>I'm going to step away from this odd discussion. I don't see it as productive. I wish you knew more of the history of the <em>Forgotten Realms</em> and Drizz't. You seem be making assumptions based on a lack of information concerning the world that Drizz't comes from, a world that has been the D&D default world for two decades that is far more diverse than you give it credit for.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6433917, member: 5834"] I do not view it as such and never will. An American of African descent is just that. Hyphenating is nothing more than additional unnecessary social engineering. The nationality of person born in America is American. If their ancestors were from Africa, their genetic background is African, undetermined for most for obvious historical reasons. I do not, nor will I ever, practice the false addition of hyphenating American. I understand why it was done. But the reason for its existence is racist. It is divisive and implies something that is not true, and never should have been true: that certain people due to their ethnic background are somehow separate from other Americans. Never was a good idea, but I get the reasoning given there was very little choice other than to take control of a negative racial stereotype propagated by the majority. I won't participate in the fiction since I never participated in the previous negative racial fiction. As far as I'm concerned a person born in America is an American, no attachment necessary. They do not to my knowledge do this anywhere else in the world save America due to our history. I don't see people of African descent in England going "I"m African-British" or a German saying "I'm African-German." It's our own ridiculous history that has lead to this absurd notion of hyphenating what should be a united people. I hope we move past it. I've done so myself and do not intend to alter my viewpoint to appease anyone. No. They were in the [I]Forgotten Realms[/I] supplements. Core books always use generic races. Modify as you wish. If you notice in this thread, you are the only person concerned with the issue of race. What does that say about your personal bias? Do you see the problem with attempting to "step away" from my experiences? I think yours are coloring this issue far more than my own or even the vast majority of fantasy movie goers. The Drizz't books were huge sellers. It did not in anyway turn off book buyers that the drow were Dark Elves. I doubt they showed any of the same concerns you are showing now. Anyone playing [I]Forgotten Realms[/I] knew of them. They were in [I]Forgotten Realms[/I] supplements. I believe [I]Forgotten Realms[/I] was the biggest selling shared world WotC ever produced. The [I]Forgotten Realms[/I] novels were their biggest selling novels. How could you not know about these things if you have been following D&D? [I]Forgotten Realms[/I] was the D&D world for what must have been 10 to 15 years. I feel like your personal bias is coloring this discussion. You want to racialize a topic that was never a problem before. Drizz't has been selling books for 20 years. Suddenly WotC can't make a Drizz't movie due to racial concerns? Where were all these concerns when Drizz't became the biggest selling WotC character in their history? A Drizz't movie wouldn't offend anyone but the most sensitive of people. All the tens of thousands or more readers of the novels would love to see a movie with their favorite dual wielding Drow Elf. I'm going to step away from this odd discussion. I don't see it as productive. I wish you knew more of the history of the [I]Forgotten Realms[/I] and Drizz't. You seem be making assumptions based on a lack of information concerning the world that Drizz't comes from, a world that has been the D&D default world for two decades that is far more diverse than you give it credit for. [/QUOTE]
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