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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 7563379" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>You want to be very, very careful with that logic. It has wide-reaching implications. I wish to avoid politics, but let us just say that the culture you live in right here and now is not, by those measures, particularly clean. Then, there are platitudes about splinters in eyes, pots & kettles, glass houses and stones, that then apply to your position. Not a good look.</p><p></p><p>Also, it would seem to me that this is a choice that each person boarding the ship gets to make for themselves. I don't think you get to sink the project because you have no stomach for the moral implications. You get to choose not to go yourself, and that's fine.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, the sun injects a lot of energy into the system. </p><p></p><p>You want energy injected into the system? We can do that - use a Bussard ramscoop. You set out a network of superconducting cables around the ship, and run current through them to produce a magnetic field. That field scoops up interstellar hydrogen. Voila! Fuel!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That sun is going to die, you know. And it will take us with it if we are not elsewhere.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I noted previously that every single habitable continent on this planet was colonized by humans *long* before population pressure made it necessary. Exploring new places may not be your cup of tea, but it is a things humans do. </p><p></p><p>But, perhaps there's no romance in your soul. So, let us look at socioeconomic benefits. You are asking, writ large, the same question as those who wonder why we have NASA. Why we bother having an ISS, or going to the Moon, or Mars, or asteroids. </p><p></p><p>1) there is *massive* economic benefit to be gained in the development needed to make the trip possible. The technologies created for the trip have uses groundside, but we likely wouldn't come up with them if we didn't have a lofty goal.</p><p></p><p>2) There's a massive amount of stuff to be learned about the universe we live in. And that, again, will often have applications back home. Yes, there's a long distance call back, but it gets here eventually.</p><p></p><p>3) There is a strong argument that a society engaged in expansion gains major economic and sociological benefits - jobs, reduced crime, and all that. Great undertakings fire up human imagination and creativity in ways that merely continuing to exist does not. By what you are saying, you may not actually understand that last, but that's okay. We don't need *you* to go. Just stay out of the way.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep. I've read the same pieces. Slap an engine on it, and you're pretty good to go! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 7563379, member: 177"] You want to be very, very careful with that logic. It has wide-reaching implications. I wish to avoid politics, but let us just say that the culture you live in right here and now is not, by those measures, particularly clean. Then, there are platitudes about splinters in eyes, pots & kettles, glass houses and stones, that then apply to your position. Not a good look. Also, it would seem to me that this is a choice that each person boarding the ship gets to make for themselves. I don't think you get to sink the project because you have no stomach for the moral implications. You get to choose not to go yourself, and that's fine. Yes, the sun injects a lot of energy into the system. You want energy injected into the system? We can do that - use a Bussard ramscoop. You set out a network of superconducting cables around the ship, and run current through them to produce a magnetic field. That field scoops up interstellar hydrogen. Voila! Fuel! That sun is going to die, you know. And it will take us with it if we are not elsewhere. I noted previously that every single habitable continent on this planet was colonized by humans *long* before population pressure made it necessary. Exploring new places may not be your cup of tea, but it is a things humans do. But, perhaps there's no romance in your soul. So, let us look at socioeconomic benefits. You are asking, writ large, the same question as those who wonder why we have NASA. Why we bother having an ISS, or going to the Moon, or Mars, or asteroids. 1) there is *massive* economic benefit to be gained in the development needed to make the trip possible. The technologies created for the trip have uses groundside, but we likely wouldn't come up with them if we didn't have a lofty goal. 2) There's a massive amount of stuff to be learned about the universe we live in. And that, again, will often have applications back home. Yes, there's a long distance call back, but it gets here eventually. 3) There is a strong argument that a society engaged in expansion gains major economic and sociological benefits - jobs, reduced crime, and all that. Great undertakings fire up human imagination and creativity in ways that merely continuing to exist does not. By what you are saying, you may not actually understand that last, but that's okay. We don't need *you* to go. Just stay out of the way. Yep. I've read the same pieces. Slap an engine on it, and you're pretty good to go! :) [/QUOTE]
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