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<blockquote data-quote="ZombieRoboNinja" data-source="post: 6030332" data-attributes="member: 54843"><p>I really think having a good "gish" character won't be nearly so much of a challenge in 5e. Bounded accuracy and flexible class "kits" solve most of the problems with pre-4e gish types.</p><p></p><p>Look at a 3e sorcerer: what prevents him from succeeding in melee? BAB is the first hurdle; that's gone in 5e. HP and armor proficiencies are another problem; in 5e, these are determined by "kit" (sorcerous origin), so for example the draconic sorcerer (or the battlemage-tradition wizard or the hexblade-pact warlock or whatever) can get higher HP and better armor/shield/weapon proficiencies, in return for other tradeoffs. Throw in a few melee-friendly signature spells like Dragon Strength and you've got a pretty fun gish character.</p><p></p><p>Now, this isn't to say that classes like the duskblade or the spellsword or whatever are obsolete, any more than the success of the war-domain cleric obsoletes the paladin. It would still be cool to have classes that cast only through their swords or whatever. But it does mean there's a much less pressing need for them in the first PHB.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ZombieRoboNinja, post: 6030332, member: 54843"] I really think having a good "gish" character won't be nearly so much of a challenge in 5e. Bounded accuracy and flexible class "kits" solve most of the problems with pre-4e gish types. Look at a 3e sorcerer: what prevents him from succeeding in melee? BAB is the first hurdle; that's gone in 5e. HP and armor proficiencies are another problem; in 5e, these are determined by "kit" (sorcerous origin), so for example the draconic sorcerer (or the battlemage-tradition wizard or the hexblade-pact warlock or whatever) can get higher HP and better armor/shield/weapon proficiencies, in return for other tradeoffs. Throw in a few melee-friendly signature spells like Dragon Strength and you've got a pretty fun gish character. Now, this isn't to say that classes like the duskblade or the spellsword or whatever are obsolete, any more than the success of the war-domain cleric obsoletes the paladin. It would still be cool to have classes that cast only through their swords or whatever. But it does mean there's a much less pressing need for them in the first PHB. [/QUOTE]
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