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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 1936608" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>I see your points spigadang, despite that I now feel a little... sea-sickened <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite5" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /> Take your time when typing posts! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p>1. Forcing your will on someone's else can easily be oppressive, but there are also cases when it is not. For example, the parents "forcing their will" on the children (when they put a little "energy" in telling the children what to do) do that without intent to harm or exercise their supremacy over the children etc., but only because they are looking forward to help the children do the right thing. Of course, sometimes parents don't understand when they are going to far.</p><p>The difference can be indeed in what's the point in doing this, but also the degree of strength used in this "forcing" and the exact actions taken can be evil.</p><p></p><p>2. Ok usually a reaction in self-defense makes you less guilty. I think that any self-defense cannot be evil in aim, it's a very neutral thing. But again there may be a problem in HOW do you exercise your right to self-defense.</p><p>For example, one may find a thief in the house, and after taking a look it seem the thief is unarmed and won't be able to serious threaten your life. You take your gun and easily shot him, and you know your country's law allows you that. That's clearly a matter of means: you have chosen the easiest mean, which may make you smart, but also it was the most harmful mean, and since you had other choices it probably makes you evil as well.</p><p></p><p>3. I think this reasoning goes too far... ok for saying that it's irresponsible to jeopardize the safety and life of people which depend on you to survive (the thief's children) with a criminal conduct. Still quite ok that you don't become evil because of transitive consequences of your actions, if you couldn't know or figure out those consequences. But that shouldn't be an excuse if you instead knew and had other choices, or if you refused to know in order to keep your conscience clear.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 1936608, member: 1465"] I see your points spigadang, despite that I now feel a little... sea-sickened :confused: Take your time when typing posts! :p :) ;) 1. Forcing your will on someone's else can easily be oppressive, but there are also cases when it is not. For example, the parents "forcing their will" on the children (when they put a little "energy" in telling the children what to do) do that without intent to harm or exercise their supremacy over the children etc., but only because they are looking forward to help the children do the right thing. Of course, sometimes parents don't understand when they are going to far. The difference can be indeed in what's the point in doing this, but also the degree of strength used in this "forcing" and the exact actions taken can be evil. 2. Ok usually a reaction in self-defense makes you less guilty. I think that any self-defense cannot be evil in aim, it's a very neutral thing. But again there may be a problem in HOW do you exercise your right to self-defense. For example, one may find a thief in the house, and after taking a look it seem the thief is unarmed and won't be able to serious threaten your life. You take your gun and easily shot him, and you know your country's law allows you that. That's clearly a matter of means: you have chosen the easiest mean, which may make you smart, but also it was the most harmful mean, and since you had other choices it probably makes you evil as well. 3. I think this reasoning goes too far... ok for saying that it's irresponsible to jeopardize the safety and life of people which depend on you to survive (the thief's children) with a criminal conduct. Still quite ok that you don't become evil because of transitive consequences of your actions, if you couldn't know or figure out those consequences. But that shouldn't be an excuse if you instead knew and had other choices, or if you refused to know in order to keep your conscience clear. [/QUOTE]
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