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<blockquote data-quote="klofft" data-source="post: 3221504" data-attributes="member: 40326"><p>Wow! I'm sig worthy! Thanks a lot! I appreciate it!</p><p></p><p>Griffith, the reason I have questions is because I AM using a polytheistic world. I assure you, if I was making a world with a fundamentally Christian worldview, I wouldn't have so many questions. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Instead, I have an unknown creator God. Actually, he (it?) is less "unknown," and more distant like Tolkien's god - whose cosmology I'm heavily borrowing from. In fact, it's because I'm borrowing from Tolkien so much that I am convinced that the worldview I'm trying to sort out here can work.</p><p></p><p>This God sent lots and lots of "gods" to create the universe through his power. Thus, technically, the gods are not gods, but rather "super-angels," if you will. However, the intelligent races don't know of "God"; all they know of is the gods and a force in the universe that they just refer to as "providence." For a lawful and/or good person, providence is a benevolent force that assures one that the universe is a good and orderly place. Because that is fundamentally true, a chaotic and/or evil person views providence as a cruel fate.</p><p></p><p>I am using the D&D core pantheon, the rest of the Greyhawk gods, a random few from FR and Eberron that have made it into other core supplements, the demon princes and arch-devils as lesser gods, and various other factions (e.g., the three factions from BoED, the warrior pantheon from Complete Warrior, etc.). All told, I have about 300 gods. Gods do not gain power from the worship of mortals, nor can a mortal become a god. </p><p></p><p>Among all these, the intelligent races generally acknowledge Pelor as the sort of good Father-god figure, and Nerull as the evil, satanic, anti-life figure. I've never really decided whether or not they are equal in actual power to one another, but they are more powerful than the other gods in general.</p><p></p><p>Having created the universe in (the over-)God's power, the gods now just "run their portfolios," if you will, hoping that people will comply. If people are good, the world is a good place; however, in my world, people have become lazy, selfish, and most especially scared of the world around them, which has led to a rise in the power of evil and death in the world. Meanwhile, providence continues to work some unknown cosmic plan, which innocent good-hearted mortals hope is for the best.</p><p></p><p>That's way more than I intended to write, and I'm threatening to get away from my original questions with all this. However, I wanted to explain the situation I'm working with, and why I might be concerned about an objective good and the possibility of evil being understood as its absence. I realize that this cosmology is way too black and white for many groups, but again, this is the way our highly religious group likes our fantasy.</p><p></p><p>OK. I'll be quiet now and continue to read these extremely interesting perspectives people are putting forth.</p><p></p><p>Thanks! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>C</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="klofft, post: 3221504, member: 40326"] Wow! I'm sig worthy! Thanks a lot! I appreciate it! Griffith, the reason I have questions is because I AM using a polytheistic world. I assure you, if I was making a world with a fundamentally Christian worldview, I wouldn't have so many questions. ;) Instead, I have an unknown creator God. Actually, he (it?) is less "unknown," and more distant like Tolkien's god - whose cosmology I'm heavily borrowing from. In fact, it's because I'm borrowing from Tolkien so much that I am convinced that the worldview I'm trying to sort out here can work. This God sent lots and lots of "gods" to create the universe through his power. Thus, technically, the gods are not gods, but rather "super-angels," if you will. However, the intelligent races don't know of "God"; all they know of is the gods and a force in the universe that they just refer to as "providence." For a lawful and/or good person, providence is a benevolent force that assures one that the universe is a good and orderly place. Because that is fundamentally true, a chaotic and/or evil person views providence as a cruel fate. I am using the D&D core pantheon, the rest of the Greyhawk gods, a random few from FR and Eberron that have made it into other core supplements, the demon princes and arch-devils as lesser gods, and various other factions (e.g., the three factions from BoED, the warrior pantheon from Complete Warrior, etc.). All told, I have about 300 gods. Gods do not gain power from the worship of mortals, nor can a mortal become a god. Among all these, the intelligent races generally acknowledge Pelor as the sort of good Father-god figure, and Nerull as the evil, satanic, anti-life figure. I've never really decided whether or not they are equal in actual power to one another, but they are more powerful than the other gods in general. Having created the universe in (the over-)God's power, the gods now just "run their portfolios," if you will, hoping that people will comply. If people are good, the world is a good place; however, in my world, people have become lazy, selfish, and most especially scared of the world around them, which has led to a rise in the power of evil and death in the world. Meanwhile, providence continues to work some unknown cosmic plan, which innocent good-hearted mortals hope is for the best. That's way more than I intended to write, and I'm threatening to get away from my original questions with all this. However, I wanted to explain the situation I'm working with, and why I might be concerned about an objective good and the possibility of evil being understood as its absence. I realize that this cosmology is way too black and white for many groups, but again, this is the way our highly religious group likes our fantasy. OK. I'll be quiet now and continue to read these extremely interesting perspectives people are putting forth. Thanks! :) C [/QUOTE]
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