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<blockquote data-quote="gamerprinter" data-source="post: 5291580" data-attributes="member: 50895"><p>Actually the Celts were a maritime nation, at least some of them from before and up to the Roman period. How did the Celts get across the English channel or the Irish sea, but more than that, many peoples on the coast of Britain and Britainny saw the Irish as pirates, though they were all Celts. They lacked the superior clinker style viking ships, still had naval transport that could cross oceans, as the viking ships, but unlike most of the other galley style ships of the Mediterranean that could not.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>I would consider the Goths to be pre-Germanic peoples, whereas Vikings are a much later Germanic people. They didn't exist at the same time.</p><p></p><p>The big difference between Vikings and the other two mentioned human cultures, is that the former existed from about 800 AD to about 1100 AD, where as the Goths were from the early part of Dark Ages, sav 0 AD to about 500 AD - so I doubt a Goth ever met a Viking, they are from two distinctly different historic time periods, though in many ways are the same people.</p><p></p><p>Celts continue as an identifiable people up to the modern era, first appeared as a cultural force as far back as 3000 BC in central Europe, then spread outward in all directions, so by 1500 BC covered all of northern, western and parts of eastern Europe, even as far east as Northern India.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>While I can agree with much of the latter post, I am building an Iron Age Celtic setting myself, and I have three distinct human nations: the Celts, the Mediterranean culture Etruscan/Mycenaean city-states, and a Germanic people and I have some 'racial' distinctions between them, though technology is the primary differing factor.</p><p></p><p>While idiosyncracies exist between those cultures, the most interesting thing for me, is despite how 'modern', literate, and cultured the Mediterranean cultures were compared to the more barbaric northern cultures - social divisions, the distribution of wealth, the presence of slaves, who were the military and the educated were almost the same for all three human groups. Language, custom and technology were what set them apart.</p><p></p><p>Its your fantasy world, so you can do what you want, but Viking doesn't belong in a setting with Celts and Gothic tribes. Goths don't belong in a setting with Vikings and Celts - and for my Iron Age Celtic setting, neither Vikings nor Goths belong, as they are from another time 1000 to 2000 years later.</p><p></p><p>So it depends on 'when' your setting takes place, if you want to compare to Earth history.</p><p></p><p>GP</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gamerprinter, post: 5291580, member: 50895"] Actually the Celts were a maritime nation, at least some of them from before and up to the Roman period. How did the Celts get across the English channel or the Irish sea, but more than that, many peoples on the coast of Britain and Britainny saw the Irish as pirates, though they were all Celts. They lacked the superior clinker style viking ships, still had naval transport that could cross oceans, as the viking ships, but unlike most of the other galley style ships of the Mediterranean that could not. I would consider the Goths to be pre-Germanic peoples, whereas Vikings are a much later Germanic people. They didn't exist at the same time. The big difference between Vikings and the other two mentioned human cultures, is that the former existed from about 800 AD to about 1100 AD, where as the Goths were from the early part of Dark Ages, sav 0 AD to about 500 AD - so I doubt a Goth ever met a Viking, they are from two distinctly different historic time periods, though in many ways are the same people. Celts continue as an identifiable people up to the modern era, first appeared as a cultural force as far back as 3000 BC in central Europe, then spread outward in all directions, so by 1500 BC covered all of northern, western and parts of eastern Europe, even as far east as Northern India. While I can agree with much of the latter post, I am building an Iron Age Celtic setting myself, and I have three distinct human nations: the Celts, the Mediterranean culture Etruscan/Mycenaean city-states, and a Germanic people and I have some 'racial' distinctions between them, though technology is the primary differing factor. While idiosyncracies exist between those cultures, the most interesting thing for me, is despite how 'modern', literate, and cultured the Mediterranean cultures were compared to the more barbaric northern cultures - social divisions, the distribution of wealth, the presence of slaves, who were the military and the educated were almost the same for all three human groups. Language, custom and technology were what set them apart. Its your fantasy world, so you can do what you want, but Viking doesn't belong in a setting with Celts and Gothic tribes. Goths don't belong in a setting with Vikings and Celts - and for my Iron Age Celtic setting, neither Vikings nor Goths belong, as they are from another time 1000 to 2000 years later. So it depends on 'when' your setting takes place, if you want to compare to Earth history. GP [/QUOTE]
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