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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 7539446" data-attributes="member: 20564"><p>@<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6941440" target="_blank">Gavin O.</a></u></strong></em> RAW, this works with one addition (detailed below). At my table I'd rule slightly differently.</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Unless the mount is two sizes larger I would still put in the penalty. This is a ruling, other DMs could rule it differently. My discussion is below. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">I would require an Animal Handling roll for flying straight up at amazing speeds while grappling someone hostile. One of the times for Animal Handling is "to control your mount when you attempt a risky maneuver" and that pretty clearly qualifies. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">If you succeed on a shove attack it's bombs away. However, if you just release him <em>and</em> they have a reaction available, I'd let them use that reaction to try to grab onto you/your mount/it's tack. This is acknowledgement of the list of reactions is not exhaustive and others make sense at times. </li> </ol><p></p><p>So you have halve the movement, and it does take a shove up top to push him away without chance to grab onto something. Still one fall from up to 270 feet.</p><p></p><p>My justification for halving the mount speed is a bunch of things that together are individually close but on one side of the line, but taken together I would feel represent the spirit of the rules.</p><p></p><p>Grappling movement speed reduction never talks about your carrying capacity - which means that part of it is the resistance of the creature you are grappling. Which can easily be true of it getting in the way of wings and such.</p><p></p><p>Carrying itself into the air might add it's own weight to the weight carried, which could then put it over. This is more fiddly then 5e puts out rules for, relying on rulings.</p><p></p><p>The variant encumbrance rules (PHB 176, right next to carrying) really imply you would be slowed well before max carrying capacity.</p><p></p><p>To represent those together, I'd go by the grappling rules and still impose half speed unless it's two sizes smaller than the mount. So a huge dragon will ignore carrying an extra, resisting man, but a merely horse-size creature will be affected.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blue, post: 7539446, member: 20564"] @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6941440"]Gavin O.[/URL][/U][/B][/I] RAW, this works with one addition (detailed below). At my table I'd rule slightly differently. [LIST=1] [*]Unless the mount is two sizes larger I would still put in the penalty. This is a ruling, other DMs could rule it differently. My discussion is below. [*]I would require an Animal Handling roll for flying straight up at amazing speeds while grappling someone hostile. One of the times for Animal Handling is "to control your mount when you attempt a risky maneuver" and that pretty clearly qualifies. [*]If you succeed on a shove attack it's bombs away. However, if you just release him [I]and[/I] they have a reaction available, I'd let them use that reaction to try to grab onto you/your mount/it's tack. This is acknowledgement of the list of reactions is not exhaustive and others make sense at times. [/LIST] So you have halve the movement, and it does take a shove up top to push him away without chance to grab onto something. Still one fall from up to 270 feet. My justification for halving the mount speed is a bunch of things that together are individually close but on one side of the line, but taken together I would feel represent the spirit of the rules. Grappling movement speed reduction never talks about your carrying capacity - which means that part of it is the resistance of the creature you are grappling. Which can easily be true of it getting in the way of wings and such. Carrying itself into the air might add it's own weight to the weight carried, which could then put it over. This is more fiddly then 5e puts out rules for, relying on rulings. The variant encumbrance rules (PHB 176, right next to carrying) really imply you would be slowed well before max carrying capacity. To represent those together, I'd go by the grappling rules and still impose half speed unless it's two sizes smaller than the mount. So a huge dragon will ignore carrying an extra, resisting man, but a merely horse-size creature will be affected. [/QUOTE]
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