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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9021452" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I think you're judging it pretty harshly.</p><p></p><p>This is an entirely different grade to the other recent Marvel movies. It's an actual movie. A film, that you could watch, with stuff to care about, and characters and a plot and cinematic stylization. Whereas most recent Marvel movies have just been a dull story slowly told with some very cliched character development.</p><p></p><p>I think about 80% of this movie landed, which like, is incredible for an MCU movie post-Endgame, just incredible.</p><p></p><p>I do agree that it wasn't quite as sharp as the previous two movies - I think two was extremely good myself, probably the peak of the series - but it's still an actual movie that people will watch and feel things about 10 or 20 years from now, which they absolutely will not about Wakanda Forever or Multiverse of Madness. 20 years from now, those movies will be watched by completist nerds and no-one else. This movie will be watched people who want to see a good movie - if kind of a goddamn upsetting one!</p><p></p><p>I mean, it's a brutally manipulative movie - Gunn a brutally manipulative writer and director and I wouldn't have it any other way. He's not particularly subtle, but he's also not completely reliant on heavily-used tropes and cliches in the way most of the MCU is constructed. (I will say there was one cliche that didn't really work - the "you have to go back now" - that was just a bit too obvious for a Rocket plot point)</p><p></p><p>One thing I really wanted to highlight is the visual design - not only has it been consistent across three movies (not true of any other MCU trilogy, not even Spider-Man, which had the same director on each), it's really distinctive and impressive and really works (and the videogame, despite using different "spins" on the characters, was able to ape the distinctive style very effectively). Add to that consistent characterisation and use of sound/music (again, even Spider-Man, the closest the MCU has got to this, isn't quite there), and even a consistent tone across the movies, and you have something kind of tremendous.</p><p></p><p>I will say I felt like this was kind of ridiculous as a 12A (and I presume a PG13 which is basically the same thing, in US terms), because jesus bloody wept this would have screwed me up a lot worse than, uhhhh, any 15 I can even think of, if I was, 11 when I watched it (let alone younger jeeeeeeeeeeeeesus). It's frequently quite scary, there are a lot of genuinely horrifying images, the stuff with Rocket's friends is beyond brutal, the High Evolutionary is quite alarming, there's a huge amount of people being chopped in half, swords through chests and so on. Like Top Gun Maverick and Everything Everywhere were both 15s last year, and they're waaaaaaaaaaay less upsetting than this movie. I guess more evidence, were it needed, that the BBFC is hopelessly subject to regulatory capture.</p><p></p><p>Anyway it was a good movie - great to see an actually-good MCU movie! Albeit from the director/writer who is now going to be in charge of DC's movies going forwards.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9021452, member: 18"] I think you're judging it pretty harshly. This is an entirely different grade to the other recent Marvel movies. It's an actual movie. A film, that you could watch, with stuff to care about, and characters and a plot and cinematic stylization. Whereas most recent Marvel movies have just been a dull story slowly told with some very cliched character development. I think about 80% of this movie landed, which like, is incredible for an MCU movie post-Endgame, just incredible. I do agree that it wasn't quite as sharp as the previous two movies - I think two was extremely good myself, probably the peak of the series - but it's still an actual movie that people will watch and feel things about 10 or 20 years from now, which they absolutely will not about Wakanda Forever or Multiverse of Madness. 20 years from now, those movies will be watched by completist nerds and no-one else. This movie will be watched people who want to see a good movie - if kind of a goddamn upsetting one! I mean, it's a brutally manipulative movie - Gunn a brutally manipulative writer and director and I wouldn't have it any other way. He's not particularly subtle, but he's also not completely reliant on heavily-used tropes and cliches in the way most of the MCU is constructed. (I will say there was one cliche that didn't really work - the "you have to go back now" - that was just a bit too obvious for a Rocket plot point) One thing I really wanted to highlight is the visual design - not only has it been consistent across three movies (not true of any other MCU trilogy, not even Spider-Man, which had the same director on each), it's really distinctive and impressive and really works (and the videogame, despite using different "spins" on the characters, was able to ape the distinctive style very effectively). Add to that consistent characterisation and use of sound/music (again, even Spider-Man, the closest the MCU has got to this, isn't quite there), and even a consistent tone across the movies, and you have something kind of tremendous. I will say I felt like this was kind of ridiculous as a 12A (and I presume a PG13 which is basically the same thing, in US terms), because jesus bloody wept this would have screwed me up a lot worse than, uhhhh, any 15 I can even think of, if I was, 11 when I watched it (let alone younger jeeeeeeeeeeeeesus). It's frequently quite scary, there are a lot of genuinely horrifying images, the stuff with Rocket's friends is beyond brutal, the High Evolutionary is quite alarming, there's a huge amount of people being chopped in half, swords through chests and so on. Like Top Gun Maverick and Everything Everywhere were both 15s last year, and they're waaaaaaaaaaay less upsetting than this movie. I guess more evidence, were it needed, that the BBFC is hopelessly subject to regulatory capture. Anyway it was a good movie - great to see an actually-good MCU movie! Albeit from the director/writer who is now going to be in charge of DC's movies going forwards. [/QUOTE]
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