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<blockquote data-quote="vostygg" data-source="post: 7596097" data-attributes="member: 6866458"><p>Thanks for cross-checking my work, @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6966824" target="_blank">Esker</a></u></strong></em></p><p></p><p>I actually agree with your computation for sneak attack crit damage, since it corresponds with the observation @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=20564" target="_blank">Blue</a></u></strong></em> made, which is that most people are likely to apply Sneak Attack damage the first time they hit. When I adjust my math to use your computation instead of the one I was using (i.e. 3d6 * (1 - 0.05 * 0.05), this is what I get:</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">------------------</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Rogue 20 TWF - DPR</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">------------------</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 1: 9.54</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 2: 9.54</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 3: 12.72</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 4: 13.32</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 5: 16.51</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 6: 16.51</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 7: 19.69</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 8: 20.29</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 9: 23.47</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 10: 23.47</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 11: 26.66</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 12: 26.66</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 13: 29.85</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 14: 29.85</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 15: 33.03</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 16: 33.03</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 17: 36.21</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 18: 36.21</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 19: 39.40</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 20: 39.40</span></p><p></p><p>I also looked over my math for the Booming Blade DPR and realize that I had a copy-paste error. Here is the updated table, which very likely corresponds with what you were seeing: </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">----------------------------</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Rogue 20 Booming Blade - DPR</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">----------------------------</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 1: 7.00</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 2: 7.00</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 3: 9.27</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 4: 9.88</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 5: 15.08</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 6: 15.08</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 7: 17.35</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 8: 17.95</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 9: 20.23</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 10: 20.23</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 11: 25.43</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 12: 25.43</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 13: 27.70</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 14: 27.70</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 15: 29.98</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 16: 29.98</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 17: 35.18</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 18: 35.18</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 19: 37.45</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 20: 37.45</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p></p><p>As you state, <u>even with these corrections, TWF comes out on top of Booming Blade at every level,</u> which is the only point I was trying to make. It is up to individual Swashbuckler players to determine whether the loss of DPR is worth the additional control effect or situational damage that Booming Blade provides. Here is the DPR differential in favor of TWF broken down by level, again assuming a 60% hit probability:</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 1: +2.54</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 2: +2.54</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 3: +3.45</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 4: +3.44</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 5: +1.43</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 6: +1.43</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 7: +2.34</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 8: +2.34</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 9: +3.24</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 10: +3.24</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 11: +1.23</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 12: +1.23</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 13: +2.15</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 14: +2.15</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 15: +3.05</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 16: +3.05</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 17: +1.03</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 18: +1.03</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 19: +1.95</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Level 20: +1.95</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Average: +2.24</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vostygg, post: 7596097, member: 6866458"] Thanks for cross-checking my work, @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6966824"]Esker[/URL][/U][/B][/I] I actually agree with your computation for sneak attack crit damage, since it corresponds with the observation @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=20564"]Blue[/URL][/U][/B][/I] made, which is that most people are likely to apply Sneak Attack damage the first time they hit. When I adjust my math to use your computation instead of the one I was using (i.e. 3d6 * (1 - 0.05 * 0.05), this is what I get: [FONT=Courier New]------------------ Rogue 20 TWF - DPR ------------------ Level 1: 9.54 Level 2: 9.54 Level 3: 12.72 Level 4: 13.32 Level 5: 16.51 Level 6: 16.51 Level 7: 19.69 Level 8: 20.29 Level 9: 23.47 Level 10: 23.47 Level 11: 26.66 Level 12: 26.66 Level 13: 29.85 Level 14: 29.85 Level 15: 33.03 Level 16: 33.03 Level 17: 36.21 Level 18: 36.21 Level 19: 39.40 Level 20: 39.40[/FONT] I also looked over my math for the Booming Blade DPR and realize that I had a copy-paste error. Here is the updated table, which very likely corresponds with what you were seeing: [FONT=Courier New]---------------------------- Rogue 20 Booming Blade - DPR ---------------------------- Level 1: 7.00 Level 2: 7.00 Level 3: 9.27 Level 4: 9.88 Level 5: 15.08 Level 6: 15.08 Level 7: 17.35 Level 8: 17.95 Level 9: 20.23 Level 10: 20.23 Level 11: 25.43 Level 12: 25.43 Level 13: 27.70 Level 14: 27.70 Level 15: 29.98 Level 16: 29.98 Level 17: 35.18 Level 18: 35.18 Level 19: 37.45 Level 20: 37.45 [/FONT] As you state, [U]even with these corrections, TWF comes out on top of Booming Blade at every level,[/U] which is the only point I was trying to make. It is up to individual Swashbuckler players to determine whether the loss of DPR is worth the additional control effect or situational damage that Booming Blade provides. Here is the DPR differential in favor of TWF broken down by level, again assuming a 60% hit probability: [FONT=courier new]Level 1: +2.54[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 2: +2.54[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 3: +3.45[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 4: +3.44[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 5: +1.43[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 6: +1.43[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 7: +2.34[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 8: +2.34[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 9: +3.24[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 10: +3.24[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 11: +1.23[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 12: +1.23[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 13: +2.15[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 14: +2.15[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 15: +3.05[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 16: +3.05[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 17: +1.03[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 18: +1.03[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 19: +1.95[/FONT] [FONT=courier new]Level 20: +1.95[/FONT] [FONT=courier new] Average: +2.24[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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