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<blockquote data-quote="vostygg" data-source="post: 7597978" data-attributes="member: 6866458"><p>As it happens, I have those numbers right here. The percentage for each level represents the minimum frequency with which the BB rider damage has to trigger in order for the DPR of a BB Swashbuckler to exceed that of a TWF Swashbuckler, without factoring in the Dual Wielder feat. If the percentage is greater than 100%, it means that the DPR of the BB Swashbuckler cannot be made to equal that of the TWF Swashbuckler at that level, even if the BB rider damage triggers 100% of the time. </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 1: 93.8850%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 2: 93.8850%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 3: >100.0000%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 4: >100.0000%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 5: 26.4850%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 6: 26.4850%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 7: 43.3350%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 8: 43.3350%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 9: 60.1850%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 10: 60.1850%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 11: 15.2449%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 12: 15.2449%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 13: 26.4850%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 14: 26.4850%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 15: 37.7150%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 16: 37.7150%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 17: 9.6250%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 18: 9.6250%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 19: 18.0549%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Level 20: 18.0549%</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p></p><p>At the levels which see the most play (1-10), TWF is dominant, with break-even points above 60% for 6 out of the 10 levels.</p><p></p><p>Here is an example of the math at level 5. Feel free to point out any errors you think you may see:</p><p></p><p><u>TWF DPR at Level 5:</u></p><p></p><p>Regular DPR (Main Hand): 0.6 * (avg(1d6) + 4) = 0.6 * (3.5 + 4) = 0.6 * 7.5 = 4.5</p><p>Crit DPR (Main Hand): 0.05 * avg(1d6) = 0.05 * 3.5 = 0.175</p><p>Regular DPR (Off Hand): 0.6 * avg(1d6) = 0.6 * 3.5 = 2.1</p><p>Crit DPR (Off Hand): 0.05 * avg(1d6) = 0.05 * 3.5 = 0.175</p><p>Regular Sneak Attack DPR: (1 - 0.4 * 0.4) * avg(3d6) = 0.84 * 10.5 = 8.82</p><p>Crit Sneak Attack DPR: 0.05 * avg(3d6) + (0.4 * 0.05 * avg(3d6)) = 0.05 * 10.5 + (0.02 * 10.5) = 0.735</p><p></p><p>Total DPR: 16.505</p><p></p><p><u>BB DPR at Level 5:</u></p><p></p><p>Regular DPR: 0.6 * (avg(2d8) + 4) = 0.6 * (9 + 4) = 0.6 * 13 = 7.8</p><p>Crit DPR: 0.05 * avg(2d8) = 0.05 * 9 = 0.45</p><p>Regular Sneak Attack DPR: 0.6 * avg(3d6) = 0.6 * 10.5 = 6.3</p><p>Crit Sneak Attack DPR: 0.05 * avg(3d6) = 0.05 * 10.5 = 0.525</p><p>Rider Damage DPR: 0.6 * (<span style="color: #0000FF">0.26485</span> * avg(2d8)) = 0.6 * (<span style="color: #0000FF">0.26485</span> * 9) = 1.4302</p><p></p><p>Total DPR: 16.5052</p><p></p><p></p><p>Except that the bonus action Shove takes place AFTER you use your Attack action, or are we cherry-picking the parts of the Sage Advice Compendium that benefit our characters, and ignoring the rest? </p><p></p><p></p><p>I only snark in self-defense. Whether you intended it or not, your post came across as very snarky. Self-awareness is a good thing!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vostygg, post: 7597978, member: 6866458"] As it happens, I have those numbers right here. The percentage for each level represents the minimum frequency with which the BB rider damage has to trigger in order for the DPR of a BB Swashbuckler to exceed that of a TWF Swashbuckler, without factoring in the Dual Wielder feat. If the percentage is greater than 100%, it means that the DPR of the BB Swashbuckler cannot be made to equal that of the TWF Swashbuckler at that level, even if the BB rider damage triggers 100% of the time. [FONT=Courier New]Level 1: 93.8850% Level 2: 93.8850% Level 3: >100.0000% Level 4: >100.0000% Level 5: 26.4850% Level 6: 26.4850% Level 7: 43.3350% Level 8: 43.3350% Level 9: 60.1850% Level 10: 60.1850% Level 11: 15.2449% Level 12: 15.2449% Level 13: 26.4850% Level 14: 26.4850% Level 15: 37.7150% Level 16: 37.7150% Level 17: 9.6250% Level 18: 9.6250% Level 19: 18.0549% Level 20: 18.0549% [/FONT] At the levels which see the most play (1-10), TWF is dominant, with break-even points above 60% for 6 out of the 10 levels. Here is an example of the math at level 5. Feel free to point out any errors you think you may see: [U]TWF DPR at Level 5:[/U] Regular DPR (Main Hand): 0.6 * (avg(1d6) + 4) = 0.6 * (3.5 + 4) = 0.6 * 7.5 = 4.5 Crit DPR (Main Hand): 0.05 * avg(1d6) = 0.05 * 3.5 = 0.175 Regular DPR (Off Hand): 0.6 * avg(1d6) = 0.6 * 3.5 = 2.1 Crit DPR (Off Hand): 0.05 * avg(1d6) = 0.05 * 3.5 = 0.175 Regular Sneak Attack DPR: (1 - 0.4 * 0.4) * avg(3d6) = 0.84 * 10.5 = 8.82 Crit Sneak Attack DPR: 0.05 * avg(3d6) + (0.4 * 0.05 * avg(3d6)) = 0.05 * 10.5 + (0.02 * 10.5) = 0.735 Total DPR: 16.505 [U]BB DPR at Level 5:[/U] Regular DPR: 0.6 * (avg(2d8) + 4) = 0.6 * (9 + 4) = 0.6 * 13 = 7.8 Crit DPR: 0.05 * avg(2d8) = 0.05 * 9 = 0.45 Regular Sneak Attack DPR: 0.6 * avg(3d6) = 0.6 * 10.5 = 6.3 Crit Sneak Attack DPR: 0.05 * avg(3d6) = 0.05 * 10.5 = 0.525 Rider Damage DPR: 0.6 * ([COLOR=#0000FF]0.26485[/COLOR] * avg(2d8)) = 0.6 * ([COLOR=#0000FF]0.26485[/COLOR] * 9) = 1.4302 Total DPR: 16.5052 Except that the bonus action Shove takes place AFTER you use your Attack action, or are we cherry-picking the parts of the Sage Advice Compendium that benefit our characters, and ignoring the rest? I only snark in self-defense. Whether you intended it or not, your post came across as very snarky. Self-awareness is a good thing! [/QUOTE]
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