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[GUIDE] The Sorlock – Guide to the tormented divine soul with Xanathar's Divine Soul(17)+Hexblade(3) [Updated 12/20/21]
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<blockquote data-quote="Tornagh" data-source="post: 8439196" data-attributes="member: 7032873"><p>This is my all time favourite build guide and I have played variants of it (Mostly Shadow) many times. In fact I am playing one now and about to get to the sweet level 7 Mark where the DPR is kicking in!</p><p></p><p>However there is one aspect I would respectfully disagree with and that's Empowered spell being a green option:</p><p></p><p>"Empowered Spell - Rerolling dice can result in increasing your damage but not usually worth spending your sorcerer points on."</p><p></p><p>I think this is very wrong. In fact I think until level 5 Empowered is the single best option (even better than Twin or Quickened) and remains solid gold all the way to level 20.</p><p></p><p>Why? 3 reasons:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">First reason can be summarized in a single word: Fireball. Empowered Spell will increase every single Fireball's damage by around 25% on average (if you used it every time) for a single sorcery point AND you can declare it after you see the damage rolls meaning that you will actually get closer to 30 % - 40 % in actual play. Take the most overpowered AOE spell, increase its damage by 30% at a very cheap cost and you get yourself the single best AOE clear from level 5 onwards while also being top dog when it comes to your DPR. What's not to love?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">You can use empowered on Scorching rays for higher DPR! This is actually quite strong at lower levels where the rerolled dices add considerable damage and almost always add more damage than a quickened firebolt (pre-multiclass) at half the cost. Even after getting EB this can be a good way to increase damage further, and if you really want to NOVA at LVL 20 you can do Empowered Level 9 Scorching ray + Quickened Empowered EB for respectable extra damage at the cost of only 2 more sorcery points (Empowered specifically states you can combine it with other metamagic).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">What you also need to consider is that due to the multiclass this build will be constantly short on sorcery points at the levels most campaigns end at. Having 5 sorcery points at level 7 (or even at level 8 depending on when you take warlock 3) doesn't really give you much room to use twin or careful spell while keeping enough sorcery points ready to set up your DPR wombo-combo. Transforming spell slots into sorcery points bites into bonus actions (that you really need for setup) and also into valuable high level spell slots that could have been used for fireballs or for scorching rays.</li> </ol><p>For these reasons I have transitioned into taking Empowered + Quicken as my first 2 metamagic options and I can tell you Empowered gets used every single session while quickened is basically useless until level 7 and then only used against a boss (or in very niche scenarios).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tornagh, post: 8439196, member: 7032873"] This is my all time favourite build guide and I have played variants of it (Mostly Shadow) many times. In fact I am playing one now and about to get to the sweet level 7 Mark where the DPR is kicking in! However there is one aspect I would respectfully disagree with and that's Empowered spell being a green option: "Empowered Spell - Rerolling dice can result in increasing your damage but not usually worth spending your sorcerer points on." I think this is very wrong. In fact I think until level 5 Empowered is the single best option (even better than Twin or Quickened) and remains solid gold all the way to level 20. Why? 3 reasons: [LIST=1] [*]First reason can be summarized in a single word: Fireball. Empowered Spell will increase every single Fireball's damage by around 25% on average (if you used it every time) for a single sorcery point AND you can declare it after you see the damage rolls meaning that you will actually get closer to 30 % - 40 % in actual play. Take the most overpowered AOE spell, increase its damage by 30% at a very cheap cost and you get yourself the single best AOE clear from level 5 onwards while also being top dog when it comes to your DPR. What's not to love? [*]You can use empowered on Scorching rays for higher DPR! This is actually quite strong at lower levels where the rerolled dices add considerable damage and almost always add more damage than a quickened firebolt (pre-multiclass) at half the cost. Even after getting EB this can be a good way to increase damage further, and if you really want to NOVA at LVL 20 you can do Empowered Level 9 Scorching ray + Quickened Empowered EB for respectable extra damage at the cost of only 2 more sorcery points (Empowered specifically states you can combine it with other metamagic). [*]What you also need to consider is that due to the multiclass this build will be constantly short on sorcery points at the levels most campaigns end at. Having 5 sorcery points at level 7 (or even at level 8 depending on when you take warlock 3) doesn't really give you much room to use twin or careful spell while keeping enough sorcery points ready to set up your DPR wombo-combo. Transforming spell slots into sorcery points bites into bonus actions (that you really need for setup) and also into valuable high level spell slots that could have been used for fireballs or for scorching rays. [/LIST] For these reasons I have transitioned into taking Empowered + Quicken as my first 2 metamagic options and I can tell you Empowered gets used every single session while quickened is basically useless until level 7 and then only used against a boss (or in very niche scenarios). [/QUOTE]
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