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<blockquote data-quote="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost" data-source="post: 1724688" data-attributes="member: 4720"><p>Well, I guess I'm a bit of a latecomer, but...</p><p></p><p></p><p>Absolutely. However, we have fewer (and certainly less ingrained) notions of how Dwarves, Elves, and Gnomes are *supposed* to act. Our gender roles have been dictated to us since birth. Tweaking them is somewhat more jarring than a deviation from "elfishness."</p><p></p><p>Which is not to say I have a problem with people playing against gender (clarification: I have a problem wiht <em>certain</em> people playing across gender). But I understand why it can be unsettling to many.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That might be part of the reason, but I tend to suspect that it's part of our culture's homophobia and inherent gender bias. I'm a pretty comfortably hetero male (despite theSpark's 8% certainty that I'm female <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> ), but much of the population is not, and they tend to react badly to any stereotypically feminine behavior out of a man. Plus, the entire culture has a subtext of "It's better to be a man." A male roleplaying a female is implicitly taking on a social role that is weaker than his native one. This seems less palatable to people than girls who want to be boys. After all, our entire culture tells us it's better to be a boy. When a little girl plays basketball or plays with trucks, she's considered a tomboy, which is often "cute." Especially nowadays. Keira Knightley is building a nice career for herself out of exploiting this. Implication: it's OK for a girl to act like a boy. Heck, it's even "sexy" (and think about the implications of that for a moment). On the other hand, if a little boy plays with dolls or make-up, well, if dad doesn't step in quick, he probably has an uncle, grandfather, or family friend who will "correct" the situation quickly. Implication: it's not OK for a boy to act like a girl. This, of course, is changing (slowly) among the younger and more urban segments of the population, but the bias is still there.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That depends entirely on how many people have taken the test, of course. But I tend to agree that it's hard to say anything definitive with numbers like that, though. Even if individual questions acheive significance through sheer overwhelming numbers, taken as a collection, the whole thing is pretty iffy.</p><p></p><p>Of course, I suspect that's the point.</p><p></p><p>And just to extend to full-fledged hijackitude...</p><p></p><p></p><p> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite5" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /> </p><p></p><p>Really? Every woman I know who read those books *hates* his portrayal of women with a passion. Only 1 of 5 has kept reading past book 4, and that only because she's as obsessive about stories as I am. If you start, you MUST see it through to the end. Unfortunately, since I was the one who (inadvertantly) turned her on to the books, she takes her irritation with the author out on me. I thought I was going to be beaten to death with a hardcover book when she got to the part where ...[spoiler]all Rand's "loves" decide they can comfortably share him[/spoiler].</p><p></p><p>Actually, the notion that Jordan is in any way correct about the way the female psyche works is giving me the heebie-jeebies.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, I'd say he's trying fairly effectively to beat you over the head with it in a way as hamhanded as possible.</p><p></p><p>But that's not an excuse for all but perhaps 2 of the women to have intensely combative relationships with all men, and one of the non-combative ones (Min) is one of the more striking examples of unrealistic behavior in the book. Though on that point I guess YMMV and all that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost, post: 1724688, member: 4720"] Well, I guess I'm a bit of a latecomer, but... Absolutely. However, we have fewer (and certainly less ingrained) notions of how Dwarves, Elves, and Gnomes are *supposed* to act. Our gender roles have been dictated to us since birth. Tweaking them is somewhat more jarring than a deviation from "elfishness." Which is not to say I have a problem with people playing against gender (clarification: I have a problem wiht [i]certain[/i] people playing across gender). But I understand why it can be unsettling to many. That might be part of the reason, but I tend to suspect that it's part of our culture's homophobia and inherent gender bias. I'm a pretty comfortably hetero male (despite theSpark's 8% certainty that I'm female ;) ), but much of the population is not, and they tend to react badly to any stereotypically feminine behavior out of a man. Plus, the entire culture has a subtext of "It's better to be a man." A male roleplaying a female is implicitly taking on a social role that is weaker than his native one. This seems less palatable to people than girls who want to be boys. After all, our entire culture tells us it's better to be a boy. When a little girl plays basketball or plays with trucks, she's considered a tomboy, which is often "cute." Especially nowadays. Keira Knightley is building a nice career for herself out of exploiting this. Implication: it's OK for a girl to act like a boy. Heck, it's even "sexy" (and think about the implications of that for a moment). On the other hand, if a little boy plays with dolls or make-up, well, if dad doesn't step in quick, he probably has an uncle, grandfather, or family friend who will "correct" the situation quickly. Implication: it's not OK for a boy to act like a girl. This, of course, is changing (slowly) among the younger and more urban segments of the population, but the bias is still there. That depends entirely on how many people have taken the test, of course. But I tend to agree that it's hard to say anything definitive with numbers like that, though. Even if individual questions acheive significance through sheer overwhelming numbers, taken as a collection, the whole thing is pretty iffy. Of course, I suspect that's the point. And just to extend to full-fledged hijackitude... :confused: Really? Every woman I know who read those books *hates* his portrayal of women with a passion. Only 1 of 5 has kept reading past book 4, and that only because she's as obsessive about stories as I am. If you start, you MUST see it through to the end. Unfortunately, since I was the one who (inadvertantly) turned her on to the books, she takes her irritation with the author out on me. I thought I was going to be beaten to death with a hardcover book when she got to the part where ...[spoiler]all Rand's "loves" decide they can comfortably share him[/spoiler]. Actually, the notion that Jordan is in any way correct about the way the female psyche works is giving me the heebie-jeebies. Actually, I'd say he's trying fairly effectively to beat you over the head with it in a way as hamhanded as possible. But that's not an excuse for all but perhaps 2 of the women to have intensely combative relationships with all men, and one of the non-combative ones (Min) is one of the more striking examples of unrealistic behavior in the book. Though on that point I guess YMMV and all that. [/QUOTE]
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