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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7718329" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>There are plenty that don't. Two that I think of straight away are Marvel Heroic/Cortex Plus, and HeroWars/Quest.</p><p></p><p>And there are systems that use stats but not as d20 does (ie not as giving bonuses to actions): Burning Wheel is an example of that (stats are used to set a starting value for skills, or sometimes are tested in lieu of skills).</p><p></p><p>This mechanic is not found in RuneQuest or its variants; in Rolemaster; in Tunnels & Trolls; or in any of the games I mentioned above.</p><p></p><p>This doesn't seem to be amount to more than "Games that are different from D&D will have limited appeal because they're different from D&D". Perhaps. But that seems a commercial consideration at best, and hardly relevant to someone writing his/her own RPG.</p><p></p><p>But some of the most successful non-D&D RPGs at the moment are Fate and PbtA. These aren't much like D&D. And in the past some of the most successful were Traveller, RQ and RM. All pretty different from D&D. (Eg Traveller has stats, and roll to hit armour, but has no PC improvement rules and is entirely skill-based. RQ is like Traveller but without AC. RM has classes and levels but the classes only determine skill costs, and its combat system is even less like D&D than RQ's is.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7718329, member: 42582"] There are plenty that don't. Two that I think of straight away are Marvel Heroic/Cortex Plus, and HeroWars/Quest. And there are systems that use stats but not as d20 does (ie not as giving bonuses to actions): Burning Wheel is an example of that (stats are used to set a starting value for skills, or sometimes are tested in lieu of skills). This mechanic is not found in RuneQuest or its variants; in Rolemaster; in Tunnels & Trolls; or in any of the games I mentioned above. This doesn't seem to be amount to more than "Games that are different from D&D will have limited appeal because they're different from D&D". Perhaps. But that seems a commercial consideration at best, and hardly relevant to someone writing his/her own RPG. But some of the most successful non-D&D RPGs at the moment are Fate and PbtA. These aren't much like D&D. And in the past some of the most successful were Traveller, RQ and RM. All pretty different from D&D. (Eg Traveller has stats, and roll to hit armour, but has no PC improvement rules and is entirely skill-based. RQ is like Traveller but without AC. RM has classes and levels but the classes only determine skill costs, and its combat system is even less like D&D than RQ's is.) [/QUOTE]
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