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<blockquote data-quote="Mad_Jack" data-source="post: 7041170" data-attributes="member: 6750306"><p>Going even farther back than the very start of the fantasy miniatures industry, there has never been a standardized agreement on whether "25mm" miniatures (or, hell, <em>any</em> common miniature size) were measured A) to the eyes or B) to the top of the head... With historical wargaming miniatures, the individual lines from a particular manufacturer tended to be standardized (and often tied to a specific set of rules), but once the fantasy side of the industry took off as a separate entity, the measurement issue even sometimes varied not just between different product lines from the same company but within a single line as well. </p><p>Because the 25mm minis existed as wargaming pieces before the RPGs were created and were conscripted into service, most 25mm minis were essentially "25mm = 6 ft" and became the "standard" size because RPG maps were most commonly gridded in 1-inch squares, and the scale of the maps used with figures was usually 1 inch (or 25mm) = 5 ft... It was never an exact match, but happened to be the closest thing available.</p><p>As collecting and painting miniatures became a hobby unto itself, scale creep started to appear since sculptors were now trying to create figures with really nice details that were art in and of themselves rather than just something to take up space on a map. </p><p>This is what eventually led to the emergence of the boutique miniature market (entire brands that were never meant for anything other than painting and don't care about fitting on a map) and the pre-painted plastic miniatures genre, which was aimed specifically at the gaming market rather than painters, as well as the later emergence of the unpainted plastics meant as a cheap middle ground.</p><p>(Essentially, if a "25mm" mini can be 25mm to the top of the head, or 25mm to the eyes and 28mm overall, then you could call the taller ones "28mm" and then say that "28mm" is either to the eyes or the top of the head, and if it's to the eyes, then your minis could be 30mm tall overall. Rinse and repeat, ad infinitum. Which is why many current board and miniature games have ended up using 30-32mm figures and 30mm bases instead of 25mm/1in. bases.)</p><p></p><p>Basically, there never really was a formal "true 25mm" scale to deviate from.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mad_Jack, post: 7041170, member: 6750306"] Going even farther back than the very start of the fantasy miniatures industry, there has never been a standardized agreement on whether "25mm" miniatures (or, hell, [I]any[/I] common miniature size) were measured A) to the eyes or B) to the top of the head... With historical wargaming miniatures, the individual lines from a particular manufacturer tended to be standardized (and often tied to a specific set of rules), but once the fantasy side of the industry took off as a separate entity, the measurement issue even sometimes varied not just between different product lines from the same company but within a single line as well. Because the 25mm minis existed as wargaming pieces before the RPGs were created and were conscripted into service, most 25mm minis were essentially "25mm = 6 ft" and became the "standard" size because RPG maps were most commonly gridded in 1-inch squares, and the scale of the maps used with figures was usually 1 inch (or 25mm) = 5 ft... It was never an exact match, but happened to be the closest thing available. As collecting and painting miniatures became a hobby unto itself, scale creep started to appear since sculptors were now trying to create figures with really nice details that were art in and of themselves rather than just something to take up space on a map. This is what eventually led to the emergence of the boutique miniature market (entire brands that were never meant for anything other than painting and don't care about fitting on a map) and the pre-painted plastic miniatures genre, which was aimed specifically at the gaming market rather than painters, as well as the later emergence of the unpainted plastics meant as a cheap middle ground. (Essentially, if a "25mm" mini can be 25mm to the top of the head, or 25mm to the eyes and 28mm overall, then you could call the taller ones "28mm" and then say that "28mm" is either to the eyes or the top of the head, and if it's to the eyes, then your minis could be 30mm tall overall. Rinse and repeat, ad infinitum. Which is why many current board and miniature games have ended up using 30-32mm figures and 30mm bases instead of 25mm/1in. bases.) Basically, there never really was a formal "true 25mm" scale to deviate from. [/QUOTE]
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