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<blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 6869349" data-attributes="member: 9037"><p>And ask a black woman what she thinks would happen if she accused a white guy of this without proof or witnesses? None of this is straight forward especially when it deals with harassment and groping. </p><p></p><p>Let me ask you something do you have much experience with women or men for that matter who have been sexually assaulted? I ask because I was assaulted at 16 and since I didn't immediately tell anyone when I finally broke down and told my father and we went to the police it became a he said she said and there was no evidence to back up my claim of what happened. The police refused to charged him so he got away with it until he was caught in the act several years later and went to prison for 5 years. </p><p></p><p>I have spent over 40 years in various support groups and I can tell you that many victims have had the same exact experience I had with the police. And if the guy is white with a middle class or higher economic status is well educated and charming good luck unless he got violent or someone witnessed it. It is a little easier if you are white and your attacker is not or is poor an lacking say social graces. I have heard versions of this story so many times. From the girl who was assaulted by her pastor but is afraid to speak up because he is well respected in the community with a wife and daughters of his own. I don't often bring this up in these discussions because I have been accused of using it to emotionally blackmail to win my argument. </p><p></p><p>I am bringing it up now to point out that it is not that easy for a victim to get help from the police and yes who the victim is and who the harasser is colors how the police view it. A scantily clad cosplayer who has posed for pictures all day and has enjoyed that attention is going to have a harder time being believed that she was harassed by a lot of people.</p><p></p><p>A woman who has been drinking even if not falling down drunk also faces this. </p><p></p><p>The same with a woman who was flirting with a guy earlier and then he does not take no or takes liberties he thinks he is entitled to because you flirted or he bought you dinner or a drink. Date rape is one of the hardest to prosecute. </p><p></p><p>I mentioned in my first post about being groped in an elevator at Worldcon by a famous writer.I will never tell on the internet who is was. I learned the hard way back in the 70s that some people who are fans of his get really angry over it. I don't need to be called a liar or interrogated if maybe I was flirting with him and sent him mixed signals and I certainly don't want to hear excuses how he was drunk and how he is now sober as that some how excuses what he did. And it was not just me who had to deal with him in those early years before he sought treatment for his issues. </p><p></p><p>I believe what this blogger wrote about how the police were of no help because I experienced it for myself and have heard so many victims say the same thing. </p><p></p><p>And no I am not saying that an innocent man accused of rape or assault can't have his life dragged threw the mud and his life destroyed by a false claim. But the burden of proof especially in court comes down to evidence and if there is enough to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. And Yes I know a lot can depend on who the jury believes and who has the best attorney.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elf Witch, post: 6869349, member: 9037"] And ask a black woman what she thinks would happen if she accused a white guy of this without proof or witnesses? None of this is straight forward especially when it deals with harassment and groping. Let me ask you something do you have much experience with women or men for that matter who have been sexually assaulted? I ask because I was assaulted at 16 and since I didn't immediately tell anyone when I finally broke down and told my father and we went to the police it became a he said she said and there was no evidence to back up my claim of what happened. The police refused to charged him so he got away with it until he was caught in the act several years later and went to prison for 5 years. I have spent over 40 years in various support groups and I can tell you that many victims have had the same exact experience I had with the police. And if the guy is white with a middle class or higher economic status is well educated and charming good luck unless he got violent or someone witnessed it. It is a little easier if you are white and your attacker is not or is poor an lacking say social graces. I have heard versions of this story so many times. From the girl who was assaulted by her pastor but is afraid to speak up because he is well respected in the community with a wife and daughters of his own. I don't often bring this up in these discussions because I have been accused of using it to emotionally blackmail to win my argument. I am bringing it up now to point out that it is not that easy for a victim to get help from the police and yes who the victim is and who the harasser is colors how the police view it. A scantily clad cosplayer who has posed for pictures all day and has enjoyed that attention is going to have a harder time being believed that she was harassed by a lot of people. A woman who has been drinking even if not falling down drunk also faces this. The same with a woman who was flirting with a guy earlier and then he does not take no or takes liberties he thinks he is entitled to because you flirted or he bought you dinner or a drink. Date rape is one of the hardest to prosecute. I mentioned in my first post about being groped in an elevator at Worldcon by a famous writer.I will never tell on the internet who is was. I learned the hard way back in the 70s that some people who are fans of his get really angry over it. I don't need to be called a liar or interrogated if maybe I was flirting with him and sent him mixed signals and I certainly don't want to hear excuses how he was drunk and how he is now sober as that some how excuses what he did. And it was not just me who had to deal with him in those early years before he sought treatment for his issues. I believe what this blogger wrote about how the police were of no help because I experienced it for myself and have heard so many victims say the same thing. And no I am not saying that an innocent man accused of rape or assault can't have his life dragged threw the mud and his life destroyed by a false claim. But the burden of proof especially in court comes down to evidence and if there is enough to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. And Yes I know a lot can depend on who the jury believes and who has the best attorney. [/QUOTE]
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