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<blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 6869363" data-attributes="member: 9037"><p>When POC talk about their experiences even if they do so with hostility directed at white people my first reaction is not to jump and say hey I don't do that and feel offended and feel the need to talk about my feelings there by taking the attention off their issues. I know that all white people are not racist I know many POC who know this too. I also know that some because of their experiences do believe that. I also know that getting defensive and turning the talk to how I feel about the accusation is not going to reach them or change their mind. </p><p></p><p>Is there a time and place to talk about how you feel yes but it is not when they are talking about how they have been effected by sexism or racism. Even if you are not trying to deflect you are changing the subject and making it about you.</p><p></p><p>You brought up the whole child custody thing men face in family court and yes it needs to be discussed but not when say a women is talking about dealing with the courts to get her EX to pay for child support. It is the same with rape. Yes men get raped what happens in our prisons is a terrible thing and needs discussion but you don't bring it up when talking about sexual assault on college campuses. And it works the same way in the opposite to. </p><p></p><p>I have said that I wish people would not make such provocative statements on issues because it fuels this kind of issues and the messages often gets lost. I have many arguments with people in the social justice community over this and how these kind of statements makes people close their ears. But I also know that sometimes you can talk calmly and rationally trying to get your statement noticed but it is ignored until you start screaming. </p><p></p><p>Black lives matter campaign is not something that happened over night it has been building for years and finally enough was enough and people openly protested. The civil rights movement would never have accomplished anything if people had not provoked change from Rosa Parks refusing to move to black students openly walking into a white only tables in restaurants and demanding to be served and refusing to leave until they were dragged out. I remember listening to my very southern parents talking and complaining about how uncivilized it was and why didn't they just talk to the restaurant owners and the mayors and governors instead of stirring up trouble. </p><p></p><p>There are hundreds of posts and blogs on the internet about harassment in geek hobbies most get ignored by the majority of geeks. But this one with the white male terrorist title has gotten people talking. I have seen this posted in several gaming forums, it has been on twitter and Facebook so I think we are seeing that sometimes you have to be loud to get people to listen.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elf Witch, post: 6869363, member: 9037"] When POC talk about their experiences even if they do so with hostility directed at white people my first reaction is not to jump and say hey I don't do that and feel offended and feel the need to talk about my feelings there by taking the attention off their issues. I know that all white people are not racist I know many POC who know this too. I also know that some because of their experiences do believe that. I also know that getting defensive and turning the talk to how I feel about the accusation is not going to reach them or change their mind. Is there a time and place to talk about how you feel yes but it is not when they are talking about how they have been effected by sexism or racism. Even if you are not trying to deflect you are changing the subject and making it about you. You brought up the whole child custody thing men face in family court and yes it needs to be discussed but not when say a women is talking about dealing with the courts to get her EX to pay for child support. It is the same with rape. Yes men get raped what happens in our prisons is a terrible thing and needs discussion but you don't bring it up when talking about sexual assault on college campuses. And it works the same way in the opposite to. I have said that I wish people would not make such provocative statements on issues because it fuels this kind of issues and the messages often gets lost. I have many arguments with people in the social justice community over this and how these kind of statements makes people close their ears. But I also know that sometimes you can talk calmly and rationally trying to get your statement noticed but it is ignored until you start screaming. Black lives matter campaign is not something that happened over night it has been building for years and finally enough was enough and people openly protested. The civil rights movement would never have accomplished anything if people had not provoked change from Rosa Parks refusing to move to black students openly walking into a white only tables in restaurants and demanding to be served and refusing to leave until they were dragged out. I remember listening to my very southern parents talking and complaining about how uncivilized it was and why didn't they just talk to the restaurant owners and the mayors and governors instead of stirring up trouble. There are hundreds of posts and blogs on the internet about harassment in geek hobbies most get ignored by the majority of geeks. But this one with the white male terrorist title has gotten people talking. I have seen this posted in several gaming forums, it has been on twitter and Facebook so I think we are seeing that sometimes you have to be loud to get people to listen. [/QUOTE]
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