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<blockquote data-quote="Quasqueton" data-source="post: 1066146" data-attributes="member: 3854"><p>When I DM, I expect the players to help police/enforce the rules of the game. I expect players to know "their" rules (casters should know their spells, etc.). And I will support any player who helps me with the rules, even if it is detrimental to the group as a whole or to an individual player in particular.</p><p></p><p>If a PC is attacking in the surprise round, I have no problem with a player reminding me that the target gets no Dex bonus on his AC.</p><p></p><p>If an enemy NPC is attacking a PC in the surprise round, I expect the player to tell me his PC's flatfooted AC, without me having to remind him. I also have no problem with a player reminding another player of this rule when the NPC is attacking the other player's PC. And I expect the other player to hold no animosity towards the "rules lawyer" player. We are all playing by the rules even if there is no "neutral" computer CPU running the combat numbers.</p><p></p><p>DM: The evil rogue takes a stab at you while you are surprised. What's your AC?</p><p></p><p>Player 1: AC is 16.</p><p></p><p>Player 2: [Knowing the PC is only wearing leather armor] You don't get Dex to your AC when flatfooted.</p><p></p><p>Player 1: Oh, yeah. . . AC is 12.</p><p></p><p>DM: OK, the rogue hits, take 3 damage.</p><p></p><p>Player 2: [Figuring there's been a miscalculation] Does that include sneak attack damage.</p><p></p><p>DM: Oh, I forgot to roll that. . . total damage is 10.</p><p></p><p>I expect no problems between Players 1 and 2, because all Player 2 was doing is reminding us of core/standard rules we were momentarily forgetting (Player 1 and the DM *should* have taken the correct rule into account without Player 2's needing to comment). I expect Player 2 to be just as helpful when his PC is under the gun. I also expect Player 2 to remind Player 1 that Power Attack deals 2 for 1 damage when Player 1's barbarian crits the BBEG. Etc.</p><p></p><p>And so a "rules lawyer" can be inaccurate himself at times. It happens to the best of us.</p><p></p><p>It has nothing to do with role-playing vs. roll-playing. We are playing a game, so when rolling the dice we follow the rules.</p><p></p><p>Quasqueton</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Quasqueton, post: 1066146, member: 3854"] When I DM, I expect the players to help police/enforce the rules of the game. I expect players to know "their" rules (casters should know their spells, etc.). And I will support any player who helps me with the rules, even if it is detrimental to the group as a whole or to an individual player in particular. If a PC is attacking in the surprise round, I have no problem with a player reminding me that the target gets no Dex bonus on his AC. If an enemy NPC is attacking a PC in the surprise round, I expect the player to tell me his PC's flatfooted AC, without me having to remind him. I also have no problem with a player reminding another player of this rule when the NPC is attacking the other player's PC. And I expect the other player to hold no animosity towards the "rules lawyer" player. We are all playing by the rules even if there is no "neutral" computer CPU running the combat numbers. DM: The evil rogue takes a stab at you while you are surprised. What's your AC? Player 1: AC is 16. Player 2: [Knowing the PC is only wearing leather armor] You don't get Dex to your AC when flatfooted. Player 1: Oh, yeah. . . AC is 12. DM: OK, the rogue hits, take 3 damage. Player 2: [Figuring there's been a miscalculation] Does that include sneak attack damage. DM: Oh, I forgot to roll that. . . total damage is 10. I expect no problems between Players 1 and 2, because all Player 2 was doing is reminding us of core/standard rules we were momentarily forgetting (Player 1 and the DM *should* have taken the correct rule into account without Player 2's needing to comment). I expect Player 2 to be just as helpful when his PC is under the gun. I also expect Player 2 to remind Player 1 that Power Attack deals 2 for 1 damage when Player 1's barbarian crits the BBEG. Etc. And so a "rules lawyer" can be inaccurate himself at times. It happens to the best of us. It has nothing to do with role-playing vs. roll-playing. We are playing a game, so when rolling the dice we follow the rules. Quasqueton [/QUOTE]
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