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<blockquote data-quote="Anon Adderlan" data-source="post: 9303919" data-attributes="member: 53053"><p>It's no accident that #PeppaPig was mentioned in the same breath as D$D as #Hasbro's plans are the same for both: generating content on demand. They have all the media they'll ever need to train with, so they don't need to hire anyone. The results don't need to make sense, as the audience won't care. The biggest hurdle is getting past discerning parents, but given how easy that is these days it's not much of one. And they're already filing claims against shows like #Wolfoo for grokking their style, so they'd love nothing more than laws which protect such concepts.</p><p></p><p>Meanwhile their most profitable brand deal to date has been #MonopolyGo, a skinner box which has made $2.7 billion to date, with a bigger marketing budget than the $220 million used to develop #LastOfUs2. For comparison #BaldursGate3 made about $712 million to date, with #Hasbro getting about $90 million of it. This is why major studios are shutting down their AAA studios and/or moving to mobile. And if all that wasn't depressing enough <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1bje8wb/comment/kvs1z7u/" target="_blank">here's a #Reddit post about how adding game mechanics is a financial liability as it actually distracts players from spending money</a>.</p><p></p><p>The biggest threat from AI isn't that it will take our jobs, but that it will end up in the hands of the few. Make no mistake, a future where any media you desire can be generated on demand is less than a decade out, and corporations will do everything in their power to maintain total control over this technology, which will <em>not</em> be to the benefit of independent artists.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Bold of you to assume they'll produce a physical product.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Which is why I'm so pissed at them dumbing it down to just another #Terminator.</p><p></p><p></p><p>What forms of protection do you suggest which wouldn't end up benefiting corporations more?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Games like #DiscoElysium, #BaldursGate3, and every indie RPG ever created were all produced under the classic studio model, and would never have seen the light of day under the 'expertise' of marketing.</p><p></p><p></p><p>AI is a fantastic teaching tool as long as it's trained on the right data, and a fantastic conditioning tool if you don't consider the results.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In the mean time it continues to meaningfully increase my quality of life, and should continue to do so as long as folks don't act on such reductive takes and corporations don't keep gimping the output.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And what laws would you suggest that wouldn't end up giving corporations more power and costing creatives even more jobs?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Luckily this is starting to happen, and the EU just recently made it illegal for robots to read emotions. And while I agree with their reasoning, I can't shake the feeling that it's going to backfire sooner than later.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If only there was some advanced information processing tool which could correlate millions of datapoints in a fraction of a time humans can which could assist us in addressing such issues.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Information literacy <em>begins</em> with approaching complex topics with the nuance they deserve, and not just making dogmatic conclusions about it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ours as in 'humans' or 'humanity'? Because there's a difference.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I can confirm without a shadow of a doubt that every claim made here beyond the first is #Misinformation, and the first one only <em>might</em> be.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Math cannot 'prove' this as it isn't a theorem but an <em>optimization</em> problem which acts more like a game than a formula. And such algorithms have already 'proven' that sharing always wins over greed when given <em>perfect</em> knowledge and an <em>infinite</em> amount of time, which is useless as we neither know everything nor have that kind of time.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Which ironically is one reason I'm such a big proponent of AI.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Which is the direction most major institutions are taking because that's both what they <em>and</em> their customers want to hear.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Congratulations, you've discovered the point Asimov was trying to convey with those three laws in the first place.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Which is why it's so important it doesn't end up in the hands of the few.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think they meant exactly what they said.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Most don't seem to accept or realize that industrialization played a far bigger role in the abolishment of slavery than moral outrage.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And then industrialization enslaved us all over again, which is why it's so important this technology be available to everyone and not in the hands of the few.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Don't you believe it. If it's not in the contract it isn't binding, and if it is expect a fight.</p><p></p><p></p><p>We don't get to the former before implementing the latter.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Same case for #Meta, #Alphabet, and #Microsoft, who have been <em>given</em> so much content that they never need to pay for training data ever again, so they <em>won't</em> be the ones affected by laws which prevent the use of training data without consent.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now imagine how much more productive a skilled programmer would be if they used the technology.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Good. Hopefully accounting is next. For those who don't know, the only reason we still do our taxes instead of the government simply sending us a bill is because the accounting industry lobbied for it to preserve their jobs.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And before this we had a tool called "the library".</p><p></p><p></p><p>And by 'internet' you apparently mean <em>search engines</em>, software which takes the work of humans without their consent and transforms it with algorithms before presenting it to users.</p><p></p><p>Now why does that sound familiar?</p><p></p><p></p><p>As someone who values their time and whose job involves a lot of research I can tell you those small intermediary steps add up <em>very</em> quickly.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I am both familiar with the processes as well as working on their development, yet fail to see the point you're trying to make.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Meanwhile the value of crypto has skyrocketed, and many marginalized industries still use it as currency.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Given the competency of the so called 'professionals' I've had the misfortune of dealing with I'm not sure I agree.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You have a very reductive view of mathematics, and even accounting has different styles.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Get the 'right' answer <em>where</em> exactly, and how do you know when you have it?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Because it's not about being diverse, but enforcing a singular ideology. And quality has <em>never</em> gone up as a result of mass marketing. Popularity does <em>not</em> equal value, and this premise has been one of the most toxic beliefs of the 20th century.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There's no such thing as 'wrong' information, merely contradictory information. And the biggest problem here is not that these systems will be 'incorrect', but that they won't present anything meaningful at all, which is exactly what's happening now. Meanwhile smaller scale curated AIs are doing just fine and are typically quite a bit more accurate than their human counterparts.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That was added by developers because most folks won't engage an AI which is blunt, rude, or ultimately honest about the things they disagree with.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Given the 'professionals' I've dealt with I'll take those odds.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Which has always been the case with information technology.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I wonder why that is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anon Adderlan, post: 9303919, member: 53053"] It's no accident that #PeppaPig was mentioned in the same breath as D$D as #Hasbro's plans are the same for both: generating content on demand. They have all the media they'll ever need to train with, so they don't need to hire anyone. The results don't need to make sense, as the audience won't care. The biggest hurdle is getting past discerning parents, but given how easy that is these days it's not much of one. And they're already filing claims against shows like #Wolfoo for grokking their style, so they'd love nothing more than laws which protect such concepts. Meanwhile their most profitable brand deal to date has been #MonopolyGo, a skinner box which has made $2.7 billion to date, with a bigger marketing budget than the $220 million used to develop #LastOfUs2. For comparison #BaldursGate3 made about $712 million to date, with #Hasbro getting about $90 million of it. This is why major studios are shutting down their AAA studios and/or moving to mobile. And if all that wasn't depressing enough [URL='https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1bje8wb/comment/kvs1z7u/']here's a #Reddit post about how adding game mechanics is a financial liability as it actually distracts players from spending money[/URL]. The biggest threat from AI isn't that it will take our jobs, but that it will end up in the hands of the few. Make no mistake, a future where any media you desire can be generated on demand is less than a decade out, and corporations will do everything in their power to maintain total control over this technology, which will [I]not[/I] be to the benefit of independent artists. Bold of you to assume they'll produce a physical product. Which is why I'm so pissed at them dumbing it down to just another #Terminator. What forms of protection do you suggest which wouldn't end up benefiting corporations more? Games like #DiscoElysium, #BaldursGate3, and every indie RPG ever created were all produced under the classic studio model, and would never have seen the light of day under the 'expertise' of marketing. AI is a fantastic teaching tool as long as it's trained on the right data, and a fantastic conditioning tool if you don't consider the results. In the mean time it continues to meaningfully increase my quality of life, and should continue to do so as long as folks don't act on such reductive takes and corporations don't keep gimping the output. And what laws would you suggest that wouldn't end up giving corporations more power and costing creatives even more jobs? Luckily this is starting to happen, and the EU just recently made it illegal for robots to read emotions. And while I agree with their reasoning, I can't shake the feeling that it's going to backfire sooner than later. If only there was some advanced information processing tool which could correlate millions of datapoints in a fraction of a time humans can which could assist us in addressing such issues. Information literacy [I]begins[/I] with approaching complex topics with the nuance they deserve, and not just making dogmatic conclusions about it. Ours as in 'humans' or 'humanity'? Because there's a difference. I can confirm without a shadow of a doubt that every claim made here beyond the first is #Misinformation, and the first one only [I]might[/I] be. Math cannot 'prove' this as it isn't a theorem but an [I]optimization[/I] problem which acts more like a game than a formula. And such algorithms have already 'proven' that sharing always wins over greed when given [I]perfect[/I] knowledge and an [I]infinite[/I] amount of time, which is useless as we neither know everything nor have that kind of time. Which ironically is one reason I'm such a big proponent of AI. Which is the direction most major institutions are taking because that's both what they [I]and[/I] their customers want to hear. Congratulations, you've discovered the point Asimov was trying to convey with those three laws in the first place. Which is why it's so important it doesn't end up in the hands of the few. I think they meant exactly what they said. Most don't seem to accept or realize that industrialization played a far bigger role in the abolishment of slavery than moral outrage. And then industrialization enslaved us all over again, which is why it's so important this technology be available to everyone and not in the hands of the few. Don't you believe it. If it's not in the contract it isn't binding, and if it is expect a fight. We don't get to the former before implementing the latter. Same case for #Meta, #Alphabet, and #Microsoft, who have been [I]given[/I] so much content that they never need to pay for training data ever again, so they [I]won't[/I] be the ones affected by laws which prevent the use of training data without consent. Now imagine how much more productive a skilled programmer would be if they used the technology. Good. Hopefully accounting is next. For those who don't know, the only reason we still do our taxes instead of the government simply sending us a bill is because the accounting industry lobbied for it to preserve their jobs. And before this we had a tool called "the library". And by 'internet' you apparently mean [I]search engines[/I], software which takes the work of humans without their consent and transforms it with algorithms before presenting it to users. Now why does that sound familiar? As someone who values their time and whose job involves a lot of research I can tell you those small intermediary steps add up [I]very[/I] quickly. I am both familiar with the processes as well as working on their development, yet fail to see the point you're trying to make. Meanwhile the value of crypto has skyrocketed, and many marginalized industries still use it as currency. Given the competency of the so called 'professionals' I've had the misfortune of dealing with I'm not sure I agree. You have a very reductive view of mathematics, and even accounting has different styles. Get the 'right' answer [I]where[/I] exactly, and how do you know when you have it? Because it's not about being diverse, but enforcing a singular ideology. And quality has [I]never[/I] gone up as a result of mass marketing. Popularity does [I]not[/I] equal value, and this premise has been one of the most toxic beliefs of the 20th century. There's no such thing as 'wrong' information, merely contradictory information. And the biggest problem here is not that these systems will be 'incorrect', but that they won't present anything meaningful at all, which is exactly what's happening now. Meanwhile smaller scale curated AIs are doing just fine and are typically quite a bit more accurate than their human counterparts. That was added by developers because most folks won't engage an AI which is blunt, rude, or ultimately honest about the things they disagree with. Given the 'professionals' I've dealt with I'll take those odds. Which has always been the case with information technology. I wonder why that is. [/QUOTE]
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