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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8398578" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>Which makes no sense, as I already said. He is also a specific type of guy from that era, which he was frozen during, and he never even saw the end of the war, so it's...just a weird way to go. </p><p>They made a version of Cap who the real Cap would...not like. At all. Like Ultimates Cap could be a Cap villain in the vein of many past Cap villains that were aligned with the US and thus the conflict was more complex than it is with enemies like Zemo.</p><p></p><p>Cap of the main continuity is a guy from 1920's - 1930's New York, though. He grew up around a diverse America, in one of the bastions of LGBT culture in an era when LGBT folks had few of those, and a place that already had a large Jewish population, and where what the Nazis represented was recognized by many of those Jewish folks immediately. </p><p></p><p>And he was not written by people who experienced any of that stuff, he was created by Jewish men in 1941. They wrote a physically weak and small artist from New York who wanted to help, and later writers made him the kind of guy who felt he needed to ditch the title and go by a different name when he couldn't support his government during the Watergate scandal. </p><p></p><p>The Ultimates Cap is everything that cynical people who have never read Cap assume a character with the flag on his suit would be, which is just about the dead opposite of what the character actually is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8398578, member: 6704184"] Which makes no sense, as I already said. He is also a specific type of guy from that era, which he was frozen during, and he never even saw the end of the war, so it's...just a weird way to go. They made a version of Cap who the real Cap would...not like. At all. Like Ultimates Cap could be a Cap villain in the vein of many past Cap villains that were aligned with the US and thus the conflict was more complex than it is with enemies like Zemo. Cap of the main continuity is a guy from 1920's - 1930's New York, though. He grew up around a diverse America, in one of the bastions of LGBT culture in an era when LGBT folks had few of those, and a place that already had a large Jewish population, and where what the Nazis represented was recognized by many of those Jewish folks immediately. And he was not written by people who experienced any of that stuff, he was created by Jewish men in 1941. They wrote a physically weak and small artist from New York who wanted to help, and later writers made him the kind of guy who felt he needed to ditch the title and go by a different name when he couldn't support his government during the Watergate scandal. The Ultimates Cap is everything that cynical people who have never read Cap assume a character with the flag on his suit would be, which is just about the dead opposite of what the character actually is. [/QUOTE]
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