Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Help Me Understand the Difference Between Classed Monsters and MM5 Monsters
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Einan" data-source="post: 3733741" data-attributes="member: 29893"><p>Alright, so the MM5 has been pointed at as a preview of 4e. Now I need some clarifications.</p><p></p><p>When MM4 came out, there was a lot of uproar over the classed monsters section. The general consensus as I saw it was that it was too much space devoted to making monsters that a DM could easily make himself. </p><p></p><p>Now, the MM5. I bought this before the 4e announcement, looked it over and discovered hobgoblins with class abilities, without actual classes. Why is this an improvement? It seems to me that they just did the exact same thing as a classed monster, but removed the class part and kept the class ability parts. So, I'm somewhat unimpressed. Why is this an improvement over the classed monsters? Help me, ENWorld, you're my only hope!</p><p></p><p>I'm not looking to troll for why or why not MM4 or MM5 was teh suck, but why this is an improvement or what improvements it foretells.</p><p></p><p>Thanks!</p><p></p><p>EINAN</p><p></p><p>(Not to add tangents, but I want to be excited by 4e, but my major beef is: THEY ANNOUNCED IT NINE MONTHS BEFORE IT'S COMING OUT! ARGGGHH?!?! So now I have nine months of preview and teases and hype before the actual product comes out. No product short of a divinely inspired tome could POSSIBLY live up to this. I really think WOTC dropped the ball on this point. End tangent.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Einan, post: 3733741, member: 29893"] Alright, so the MM5 has been pointed at as a preview of 4e. Now I need some clarifications. When MM4 came out, there was a lot of uproar over the classed monsters section. The general consensus as I saw it was that it was too much space devoted to making monsters that a DM could easily make himself. Now, the MM5. I bought this before the 4e announcement, looked it over and discovered hobgoblins with class abilities, without actual classes. Why is this an improvement? It seems to me that they just did the exact same thing as a classed monster, but removed the class part and kept the class ability parts. So, I'm somewhat unimpressed. Why is this an improvement over the classed monsters? Help me, ENWorld, you're my only hope! I'm not looking to troll for why or why not MM4 or MM5 was teh suck, but why this is an improvement or what improvements it foretells. Thanks! EINAN (Not to add tangents, but I want to be excited by 4e, but my major beef is: THEY ANNOUNCED IT NINE MONTHS BEFORE IT'S COMING OUT! ARGGGHH?!?! So now I have nine months of preview and teases and hype before the actual product comes out. No product short of a divinely inspired tome could POSSIBLY live up to this. I really think WOTC dropped the ball on this point. End tangent.) [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Help Me Understand the Difference Between Classed Monsters and MM5 Monsters
Top