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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4369983" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>Consider a 3.5 example:</p><p></p><p>The Improved Trip feat allowed you, when you successfully tripped an opponent, to make a melee attack against them as if you had not used the original attack to trip.</p><p></p><p>The Elusive Target tactical feat had the Cause Overreach ability, which granted you a free trip attack. A free attack, with the restriction that it can only be used to trip.</p><p></p><p>So when Cause Overreach triggers, you get your free attack which can only be used to trip, and trip someone. Improved Trip triggers, and you are now allowed to make a melee attack as if you had not used the original attack to trip.</p><p></p><p>So you've still got the use of the original attack... which has the restriction that it can only be used to trip. Improved Trip doesn't remove that restriction... so you have an attack that can only be used to trip, that you can only use against the opponent you just successfully tripped. Improved Trip doesn't let you use that attack to hit the guy with your flail, because it's still restricted to being a trip by the wording of Cause Overreach.</p><p></p><p>Similarly:</p><p>Heavy Blade Opportunist lets you use an at-will power instead of a basic attack for your OA.</p><p>Two-Blade Flurry lets you make an OA, with the restriction that it must be made with your off-hand weapon.</p><p></p><p>The combination means that Two-Blade Flurry lets you use an at-will power for your OA, <em>with the restriction that it must be made with your off-hand weapon</em>.</p><p></p><p>So even if you choose Twin Strike as the at-will power for your OA, it must be made with your off-hand weapon... which means that Two-Weapon Flurry won't trigger a second time, since Two-Weapon Flurry triggers when you make an OA with your primary weapon.</p><p></p><p>Regardless of which at-will power you choose, the extra attack from Two-Weapon Flurry is "an OA with your off-hand weapon", which is not something that can trigger Two-Weapon Flurry.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 4369983, member: 1656"] Consider a 3.5 example: The Improved Trip feat allowed you, when you successfully tripped an opponent, to make a melee attack against them as if you had not used the original attack to trip. The Elusive Target tactical feat had the Cause Overreach ability, which granted you a free trip attack. A free attack, with the restriction that it can only be used to trip. So when Cause Overreach triggers, you get your free attack which can only be used to trip, and trip someone. Improved Trip triggers, and you are now allowed to make a melee attack as if you had not used the original attack to trip. So you've still got the use of the original attack... which has the restriction that it can only be used to trip. Improved Trip doesn't remove that restriction... so you have an attack that can only be used to trip, that you can only use against the opponent you just successfully tripped. Improved Trip doesn't let you use that attack to hit the guy with your flail, because it's still restricted to being a trip by the wording of Cause Overreach. Similarly: Heavy Blade Opportunist lets you use an at-will power instead of a basic attack for your OA. Two-Blade Flurry lets you make an OA, with the restriction that it must be made with your off-hand weapon. The combination means that Two-Blade Flurry lets you use an at-will power for your OA, [i]with the restriction that it must be made with your off-hand weapon[/i]. So even if you choose Twin Strike as the at-will power for your OA, it must be made with your off-hand weapon... which means that Two-Weapon Flurry won't trigger a second time, since Two-Weapon Flurry triggers when you make an OA with your primary weapon. Regardless of which at-will power you choose, the extra attack from Two-Weapon Flurry is "an OA with your off-hand weapon", which is not something that can trigger Two-Weapon Flurry. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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