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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6995324" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>Didn't you post the example of the gnolls as data to support your claim that higher CR humanoids are needed? If not why did you even post it? If so do you believe it supports your conclusion, and if so... why?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Got that... my bad... though in all honesty it doesn't change anything about what I said insofar as your example is concerned.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Emphasis mine... based on what exactly? Again your example is flawed in numerous places so what exactly are you basing this assertion on?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wait... did you or didn't you run the mob rules incorrectly? Did you or did you not allow incorrect usage of the spell? </p><p></p><p>Nothing I've claimed about your example is false is it? So instead of admitting your "experiment" was flawed and doesn't (at least as far as you've presented it in this thread) support a need for higher CR humanoids, you try to disingenuously paint me as "not acknowledging the wobbly aspects of the edition" ... you know as opposed to wanting an actual example of a correctly run scenario to support your assertion. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite5" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /> </p><p></p><p>With the type of "logic" you're choosing to support your argument I'm not surprised you don't have anything more to add. </p><p></p><p>On another note if anyone wants to discuss how low CR humanoids in mobs actually play out against tier 3 characters I'd be more than happy to engage in an honest conversation about it to see how well 5e handles that particular scenario.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 6995324, member: 48965"] Didn't you post the example of the gnolls as data to support your claim that higher CR humanoids are needed? If not why did you even post it? If so do you believe it supports your conclusion, and if so... why? Got that... my bad... though in all honesty it doesn't change anything about what I said insofar as your example is concerned. Emphasis mine... based on what exactly? Again your example is flawed in numerous places so what exactly are you basing this assertion on? Wait... did you or didn't you run the mob rules incorrectly? Did you or did you not allow incorrect usage of the spell? Nothing I've claimed about your example is false is it? So instead of admitting your "experiment" was flawed and doesn't (at least as far as you've presented it in this thread) support a need for higher CR humanoids, you try to disingenuously paint me as "not acknowledging the wobbly aspects of the edition" ... you know as opposed to wanting an actual example of a correctly run scenario to support your assertion. :confused: With the type of "logic" you're choosing to support your argument I'm not surprised you don't have anything more to add. On another note if anyone wants to discuss how low CR humanoids in mobs actually play out against tier 3 characters I'd be more than happy to engage in an honest conversation about it to see how well 5e handles that particular scenario. [/QUOTE]
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