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<blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4819484" data-attributes="member: 40961"><p>I disagree. Kind of a lot. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>1. I think this is more of a "just so story" than an actual explanation of the history of D&D. I simply do not believe that during the design of OD&D actual thought went into differentiating fantasy sub genres. These sub genres weren't even that widely acknowledged until more recent times.</p><p> </p><p>2. That being said, the fictional inspirations of D&D have changed over time. Vance and Howard and Tolkien are less central, though certainly still present.</p><p> </p><p>3. Whenever you find yourself using the phrase "sense of entitlement" to refer to someone who doesn't have power, consider not talking. In that context it is a semi polite way of calling someone "uppity." </p><p> </p><p>4. I understand why someone from a christian background might perceive the worlds of Howard and company as atheistic. They're wrong, obviously, but from a christian perspective a god who isn't omniscient and all powerful, and who has foibles, commits sins and crimes, and can be bargained with, isn't really a god in the sense that they traditionally understand. Such a creature is really more of a very powerful person. "Atheistic" is still a mislabeling, though, for the obvious reason that not every culture worships the way modern christians do. Someone who was interested in investigating this topic might make an effort at reading through the old testament, actually.</p><p> </p><p>5. For everyone in the thread who feels that classic Sword and Sorcery is the dark end of the fantasy genre, there's a man here who wants to speak with you about the modern dark fantasy subgenre. His name is Sand dan Glokta.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cadfan, post: 4819484, member: 40961"] I disagree. Kind of a lot. 1. I think this is more of a "just so story" than an actual explanation of the history of D&D. I simply do not believe that during the design of OD&D actual thought went into differentiating fantasy sub genres. These sub genres weren't even that widely acknowledged until more recent times. 2. That being said, the fictional inspirations of D&D have changed over time. Vance and Howard and Tolkien are less central, though certainly still present. 3. Whenever you find yourself using the phrase "sense of entitlement" to refer to someone who doesn't have power, consider not talking. In that context it is a semi polite way of calling someone "uppity." 4. I understand why someone from a christian background might perceive the worlds of Howard and company as atheistic. They're wrong, obviously, but from a christian perspective a god who isn't omniscient and all powerful, and who has foibles, commits sins and crimes, and can be bargained with, isn't really a god in the sense that they traditionally understand. Such a creature is really more of a very powerful person. "Atheistic" is still a mislabeling, though, for the obvious reason that not every culture worships the way modern christians do. Someone who was interested in investigating this topic might make an effort at reading through the old testament, actually. 5. For everyone in the thread who feels that classic Sword and Sorcery is the dark end of the fantasy genre, there's a man here who wants to speak with you about the modern dark fantasy subgenre. His name is Sand dan Glokta. [/QUOTE]
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