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"Hide in Plain Sight" and "Camouflage" - WHO SAYS???
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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6188311" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>My take, admittedly an amateur one without much play experience of 3E or 3.5, is that hiding requires not being observed, and cover or concealment to hide behind. The distraction option seems to me not to be an alternative to cover or concealment, but rather a way of escaping observation:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">If your observers are momentarily distracted (such as by a Bluff check; see below), though, you can attempt to hide. While the others turn their attention from you, you can attempt a Hide check if you can get to a hiding place of some kind. (As a general guideline, the hiding place has to be within 1 foot per rank you have in Hide.) This check, however, is made at a -10 penalty because you have to move fast. </p><p></p><p>I take it that the hiding place that must be within 1 foot per rank is itself a place offering cover or concealment. (And the word "though" establishes a contrast with the previous paragraph of rules, which is the explanation of how observation prevents hiding.)</p><p></p><p>On my reading, Hide in Plain Sight, which allows hiding while observed for rangers, assassins and shadowdancers, makes distraction unnecessary. In combination with Camouflage, it would also make dashing for cover/concealment unnecessary; in the case of an assassin or shadowdancer you could dash for shadows instead - my take is that they would have to be within 10' + 1' per rank of Hide.</p><p></p><p>What happens if a ranger with Camouflage but not HiPS hides following a distraction? My take is that they do not need to dash to a hiding place because any natural terrain is a hiding place for them; but arguably they still have to move fast to establish their camouflage, so the -10 penalty probably should still apply.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6188311, member: 42582"] My take, admittedly an amateur one without much play experience of 3E or 3.5, is that hiding requires not being observed, and cover or concealment to hide behind. The distraction option seems to me not to be an alternative to cover or concealment, but rather a way of escaping observation: [indent]If your observers are momentarily distracted (such as by a Bluff check; see below), though, you can attempt to hide. While the others turn their attention from you, you can attempt a Hide check if you can get to a hiding place of some kind. (As a general guideline, the hiding place has to be within 1 foot per rank you have in Hide.) This check, however, is made at a -10 penalty because you have to move fast. [/indent] I take it that the hiding place that must be within 1 foot per rank is itself a place offering cover or concealment. (And the word "though" establishes a contrast with the previous paragraph of rules, which is the explanation of how observation prevents hiding.) On my reading, Hide in Plain Sight, which allows hiding while observed for rangers, assassins and shadowdancers, makes distraction unnecessary. In combination with Camouflage, it would also make dashing for cover/concealment unnecessary; in the case of an assassin or shadowdancer you could dash for shadows instead - my take is that they would have to be within 10' + 1' per rank of Hide. What happens if a ranger with Camouflage but not HiPS hides following a distraction? My take is that they do not need to dash to a hiding place because any natural terrain is a hiding place for them; but arguably they still have to move fast to establish their camouflage, so the -10 penalty probably should still apply. [/QUOTE]
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