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<blockquote data-quote="hong" data-source="post: 1684984" data-attributes="member: 537"><p>You have the words, but not the music, kid.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is a perfectly serviceable and useable replacement. Only those who like to indulge in putting the cart before the horse believe otherwise.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>When it comes to a pastime, I have no inclination to do things that are not enjoyable. Clearly this approach is not shared by those who walked through the snow, uphill both ways, to school. Or something.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Who said anything about banning powerful stuff?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I will run my campaign at exactly the power level I desire. You will thank me for opening your eyes to the possibility that the core rules are not the be-all and end-all of what constitutes the D&D experience.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Did you have a point, or were you just happy to see me?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My players fully appreciate the work I put in. They also appreciate my not using broken stuff against them. In fact, I think there's even more stuff that they want banned that I haven't banned already (blasphemy, I'm looking at you).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Did you have a point, or were you just happy to see me?</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Did you have a point, or were you just happy to see me?</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>For very large subsets of the potential encounter space, you are clearly talking about very small values of "practical".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Did you have a point, or were you just happy to see me?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They did not earn the abilities under question IMC, because the abilities under question do not exist, and as such "earning" anything misses the point by quite a wide margin. Do you give your 20th level D&D fighters access to lightsabers because 20th level Star Wars jedi have earned them?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Did you have a point, or were you just happy to see me?</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Raise people from the dead with no penalty whatsoever, beyond monetary. Pull anything you like from anywhere you want in the multiverse, or go visit them. Rewrite events in the game to your liking. Dump people you don't like below the surface of the earth. If these events do not constitute a shift in PC capabilities beyond what they can do at 16th level or lower, you have no idea what's going on.</p><p></p><p>There is a dimension to D&D beyond the dungeon. Learn it, live it, love it.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Poppycock.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Poppycock.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Poppycock.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There are ways to bring PCs back without using the level loss mechanic, and also without turning it into a pure accounting exercise. Hint 5: AD&D managed it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Poppycock. Hint 6: there are more things in the D&D multiverse that require preparation for than disjunction and shapechange. Some of these I've also banned. Others, well, the bad guys just eat it if events transpire that the PCs use something they don't have an adequate counter for.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>... because people scrounge a miserable existence in the dirt, killing rats and living off scraps, for 16 levels, until they can gain access to the all-powerful 9th level spells that justify their existence. What exactly are they doing in those 16 levels, d00d? Bemoaning the poverty of their deprived lives, that they can only cast wimpy stuff like horrid wilting, disintegrate, and greater planar ally?</p><p></p><p>In summary, did you have a point, or were you just happy to see me?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hong, post: 1684984, member: 537"] You have the words, but not the music, kid. It is a perfectly serviceable and useable replacement. Only those who like to indulge in putting the cart before the horse believe otherwise. When it comes to a pastime, I have no inclination to do things that are not enjoyable. Clearly this approach is not shared by those who walked through the snow, uphill both ways, to school. Or something. Who said anything about banning powerful stuff? I will run my campaign at exactly the power level I desire. You will thank me for opening your eyes to the possibility that the core rules are not the be-all and end-all of what constitutes the D&D experience. Did you have a point, or were you just happy to see me? My players fully appreciate the work I put in. They also appreciate my not using broken stuff against them. In fact, I think there's even more stuff that they want banned that I haven't banned already (blasphemy, I'm looking at you). Did you have a point, or were you just happy to see me? Did you have a point, or were you just happy to see me? For very large subsets of the potential encounter space, you are clearly talking about very small values of "practical". Did you have a point, or were you just happy to see me? They did not earn the abilities under question IMC, because the abilities under question do not exist, and as such "earning" anything misses the point by quite a wide margin. Do you give your 20th level D&D fighters access to lightsabers because 20th level Star Wars jedi have earned them? Did you have a point, or were you just happy to see me? Raise people from the dead with no penalty whatsoever, beyond monetary. Pull anything you like from anywhere you want in the multiverse, or go visit them. Rewrite events in the game to your liking. Dump people you don't like below the surface of the earth. If these events do not constitute a shift in PC capabilities beyond what they can do at 16th level or lower, you have no idea what's going on. There is a dimension to D&D beyond the dungeon. Learn it, live it, love it. Poppycock. Poppycock. Poppycock. There are ways to bring PCs back without using the level loss mechanic, and also without turning it into a pure accounting exercise. Hint 5: AD&D managed it. Poppycock. Hint 6: there are more things in the D&D multiverse that require preparation for than disjunction and shapechange. Some of these I've also banned. Others, well, the bad guys just eat it if events transpire that the PCs use something they don't have an adequate counter for. ... because people scrounge a miserable existence in the dirt, killing rats and living off scraps, for 16 levels, until they can gain access to the all-powerful 9th level spells that justify their existence. What exactly are they doing in those 16 levels, d00d? Bemoaning the poverty of their deprived lives, that they can only cast wimpy stuff like horrid wilting, disintegrate, and greater planar ally? In summary, did you have a point, or were you just happy to see me? [/QUOTE]
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