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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 965294" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>Your points, in order:</p><p></p><p>1) Yes, but now that I think about it, a Rome that doesn't even conquer Greece probably doesn't have all that Persian influence. Rome simply doesn't look that far east in this scenario. <em>Ergo</em> no widespread Mithraic mystery cult.</p><p></p><p>2) Germanic tribes moved westward largely because of the weakness of the Roman institutions in Gallia and Britannia (not to mention the specific invites of the Romans to come settle the area and serve as <em>foederati</em> -- there's no telling what they would have done in this scenario. Possibly, continued to exist as they were, bulwarked in by the cultural relatively similar Gallic tribes to the west, or -- doing something perhaps like the Franks in Gallia. Coming in and establising dynasties that eventually left little other than a few loanwords or places and things, to the area in which they settled.</p><p></p><p>3) Without a strong Rome, all kinds of Easterling invaders from the Scythians to the Huns to the Alans to the Mongols, etc. have probably penetrated much farther and done much more damage than we saw historically. I still wouldn't expect them to be a serious threat to Britannia, though -- or whatever you're calling it in this scenario. But it probably would have produced a very different cultural outlook amongst the Europeans than the one we got.</p><p></p><p>4) Too true -- it was Islam that united the Arab tribes in the first place.</p><p></p><p>In all, I'd suggest you check out the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0425176428/qid=1056565286/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/104-6033954-0539962" target="_blank">this book</a> and read through some of the earlier chapters at the very least. The problem is, though, that you're introducing too many changes. At some point, you can't expect to come up with anything that really resembles the world we know anymore, because the implications of the other changes are too great. I'd start with a smaller change -- Rome and Carthage stalemate in the second Punic War, and work forward from there, plotting out all the changes that would entail. Many of the ones you've put out there would probably be results of that anyway, but it wouldn't look exactly the same.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 965294, member: 2205"] Your points, in order: 1) Yes, but now that I think about it, a Rome that doesn't even conquer Greece probably doesn't have all that Persian influence. Rome simply doesn't look that far east in this scenario. [i]Ergo[/i] no widespread Mithraic mystery cult. 2) Germanic tribes moved westward largely because of the weakness of the Roman institutions in Gallia and Britannia (not to mention the specific invites of the Romans to come settle the area and serve as [i]foederati[/i] -- there's no telling what they would have done in this scenario. Possibly, continued to exist as they were, bulwarked in by the cultural relatively similar Gallic tribes to the west, or -- doing something perhaps like the Franks in Gallia. Coming in and establising dynasties that eventually left little other than a few loanwords or places and things, to the area in which they settled. 3) Without a strong Rome, all kinds of Easterling invaders from the Scythians to the Huns to the Alans to the Mongols, etc. have probably penetrated much farther and done much more damage than we saw historically. I still wouldn't expect them to be a serious threat to Britannia, though -- or whatever you're calling it in this scenario. But it probably would have produced a very different cultural outlook amongst the Europeans than the one we got. 4) Too true -- it was Islam that united the Arab tribes in the first place. In all, I'd suggest you check out the [url=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0425176428/qid=1056565286/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/104-6033954-0539962]this book[/url] and read through some of the earlier chapters at the very least. The problem is, though, that you're introducing too many changes. At some point, you can't expect to come up with anything that really resembles the world we know anymore, because the implications of the other changes are too great. I'd start with a smaller change -- Rome and Carthage stalemate in the second Punic War, and work forward from there, plotting out all the changes that would entail. Many of the ones you've put out there would probably be results of that anyway, but it wouldn't look exactly the same. [/QUOTE]
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