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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 967824" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>A lot of the scenarios described seem to discount the Celts of present day Austria, northern Italy and France (and Iberia, for that matter.) If Rome is not the Imperial power it was in real life, where do those guys go?</p><p></p><p>In reality, of course, they never went anywhere, but became thoroughly Romanized in a relatively short period of time. In this time frame, though, they are probably still around. They gave Caesar a real run for his money (and fact, Caesar was very disdainful of the eastern armies he later faced after having warred with the Celts, who actually were fairly well united under Vercingetorix.) I think it's a mistake to say the Celts are all in Britain, and everyone else besides Romans and Slavs and Greeks in Europe are Germanic peoples.</p><p></p><p>Also, Carthage could well have lasted as an empire even with deforestation. After all, Rome certainly made quite a bit of the area for centuries, and in the 400s AD Gaiseric and his Vandal/Alan empire were almost a successor of Carthage in many ways, acting as a kind of south Mediterranean Viking power that Rome really struggled to deal with successfully.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 967824, member: 2205"] A lot of the scenarios described seem to discount the Celts of present day Austria, northern Italy and France (and Iberia, for that matter.) If Rome is not the Imperial power it was in real life, where do those guys go? In reality, of course, they never went anywhere, but became thoroughly Romanized in a relatively short period of time. In this time frame, though, they are probably still around. They gave Caesar a real run for his money (and fact, Caesar was very disdainful of the eastern armies he later faced after having warred with the Celts, who actually were fairly well united under Vercingetorix.) I think it's a mistake to say the Celts are all in Britain, and everyone else besides Romans and Slavs and Greeks in Europe are Germanic peoples. Also, Carthage could well have lasted as an empire even with deforestation. After all, Rome certainly made quite a bit of the area for centuries, and in the 400s AD Gaiseric and his Vandal/Alan empire were almost a successor of Carthage in many ways, acting as a kind of south Mediterranean Viking power that Rome really struggled to deal with successfully. [/QUOTE]
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