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<blockquote data-quote="fusangite" data-source="post: 968450" data-attributes="member: 7240"><p>To continue the theme of the Celts, perhaps the original Bohemia would survive as a Celtic, rather than Slavo-Celtic nation. However, I still maintain that the Germanic tribes would be a powerful and significant influence. Remember that it was the non-federati tribes that have been the most historically pivotal: the Franks, Angles, Saxons, Danes, Swedes -- the most remote were actually the most historically influential. The federati vanished: there are no Vandals, Goths, etc. remaining in the world. </p><p></p><p>I agree that a very strong Greece is a possibility that is very reasonable, closely allied with a Greco-Pharonic Egypt. If one wanted to go that route, I might suggest a weird variant of the Orthodox Christian world with a Greco-Slavic empire or federation including Dalmatia, Pannonia, Illyria and the north and west shores of the Black Sea. To get really carried-away and silly, I can picture that instead of Hadrian's Wall, this world would have a gigantic, Chinese Great Wall equivalnt stretching from the Carpathian mountains to the Caucases protecting the breadbasket of the Greco-Slavic empire. After all, by 600, Alexander's reconstituted state would have had nearly 1000 years of existence.</p><p></p><p>Essentially, what I find interesting in your scenario is the idea that the Mediterranean could shut down the way it did in the so-called Dark Ages 500-700 years earlier. Such a change would have a massive impact on so many major civilizations. And I believe that all of them would respond the way Christendom and Islam did: by turning their backs on the sea and focusing inland. Such a development would retard some social development, increase the relevance of nomadic pastoral tribes and lead to an indigenization of culture in every region, unless, as was the case with Islam, they found another sea-ward orientation towards a developed area. </p><p></p><p>Based on this generalization, I'm inclined to place a lot of emphasis on the earlier manifestations of the rise to relevance of primitive pastoralists and raiders in the early medieval period and assume this occurred at an earlier point.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fusangite, post: 968450, member: 7240"] To continue the theme of the Celts, perhaps the original Bohemia would survive as a Celtic, rather than Slavo-Celtic nation. However, I still maintain that the Germanic tribes would be a powerful and significant influence. Remember that it was the non-federati tribes that have been the most historically pivotal: the Franks, Angles, Saxons, Danes, Swedes -- the most remote were actually the most historically influential. The federati vanished: there are no Vandals, Goths, etc. remaining in the world. I agree that a very strong Greece is a possibility that is very reasonable, closely allied with a Greco-Pharonic Egypt. If one wanted to go that route, I might suggest a weird variant of the Orthodox Christian world with a Greco-Slavic empire or federation including Dalmatia, Pannonia, Illyria and the north and west shores of the Black Sea. To get really carried-away and silly, I can picture that instead of Hadrian's Wall, this world would have a gigantic, Chinese Great Wall equivalnt stretching from the Carpathian mountains to the Caucases protecting the breadbasket of the Greco-Slavic empire. After all, by 600, Alexander's reconstituted state would have had nearly 1000 years of existence. Essentially, what I find interesting in your scenario is the idea that the Mediterranean could shut down the way it did in the so-called Dark Ages 500-700 years earlier. Such a change would have a massive impact on so many major civilizations. And I believe that all of them would respond the way Christendom and Islam did: by turning their backs on the sea and focusing inland. Such a development would retard some social development, increase the relevance of nomadic pastoral tribes and lead to an indigenization of culture in every region, unless, as was the case with Islam, they found another sea-ward orientation towards a developed area. Based on this generalization, I'm inclined to place a lot of emphasis on the earlier manifestations of the rise to relevance of primitive pastoralists and raiders in the early medieval period and assume this occurred at an earlier point. [/QUOTE]
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