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<blockquote data-quote="David Argall" data-source="post: 969103" data-attributes="member: 4481"><p><strong>histories</strong></p><p></p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>Originally posted by David Argall </p><p>The number of states that have lasted 800+ years is zero.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p></p><p> "oh, that's not true.</p><p></p><p>founding of city of Rome and Roman Republic: 753 BC</p><p>fall of Eastern Roman Empire (Constantinople): 1453 AD"</p><p></p><p> Archaeology suggests Rome was founded around 600 BC. It was conquored several times thereafter up to 298 BC, the 1st firm date in roman history. The various upheavals in its history can be deemed changes in states, and the change with Agustus routinely is. The end of the Roman Empire is normally dated with the fall of Rome, in 476 AD.</p><p> Now Byzantium has a better case to have lasted a thousand years, tho a casual look at the fluxes of its borders calls into question whether it was the same state during all that period. From the basic point of the argument, whether a stable border between 2 warring states could be maintained for centuries, it is not an encouraging example. </p><p></p><p></p><p> "founding of first Chinese Empire under Shih Huang-ti: ca. 2600 BC</p><p>last Chinese Emperor deposed: 1911 AD"</p><p></p><p> This is a combination of several states that were in the same area, rather like saying Saddam was the latest king of Babylon. The state of Hsia lasted about 400 years and was destroyed by the Shang, who more or less fell apart a couple of centuries later. The Chin reunified the culture briefly, but there was then widespread civil war until the Han ruled for 4 centures, which was followed by 3 centures of disunion and brief states.... </p><p> China as a culture is several thousand years old. As a state, it never made 500.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="David Argall, post: 969103, member: 4481"] [b]histories[/b] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by David Argall The number of states that have lasted 800+ years is zero. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "oh, that's not true. founding of city of Rome and Roman Republic: 753 BC fall of Eastern Roman Empire (Constantinople): 1453 AD" Archaeology suggests Rome was founded around 600 BC. It was conquored several times thereafter up to 298 BC, the 1st firm date in roman history. The various upheavals in its history can be deemed changes in states, and the change with Agustus routinely is. The end of the Roman Empire is normally dated with the fall of Rome, in 476 AD. Now Byzantium has a better case to have lasted a thousand years, tho a casual look at the fluxes of its borders calls into question whether it was the same state during all that period. From the basic point of the argument, whether a stable border between 2 warring states could be maintained for centuries, it is not an encouraging example. "founding of first Chinese Empire under Shih Huang-ti: ca. 2600 BC last Chinese Emperor deposed: 1911 AD" This is a combination of several states that were in the same area, rather like saying Saddam was the latest king of Babylon. The state of Hsia lasted about 400 years and was destroyed by the Shang, who more or less fell apart a couple of centuries later. The Chin reunified the culture briefly, but there was then widespread civil war until the Han ruled for 4 centures, which was followed by 3 centures of disunion and brief states.... China as a culture is several thousand years old. As a state, it never made 500. [/QUOTE]
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