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<blockquote data-quote="Jack7" data-source="post: 4843259" data-attributes="member: 54707"><p>Indeed EM. What I find fascinating is that the author mentions cities like Meroe and places like Scythia (for instance) in reference to their locations, cultural and religious habits, dietary traditions, and histories (both present for that time and historical as understood by the traveler) etc. as a means of navigational and geographical identification.</p><p></p><p>Which if you stop to think about it awhile would be a perfectly logical and entirely useful method of navigation. It also shows one exactly how individuals such as mariners, traders, merchants, adventurers, soldiers, etc. (people who traveled from place to place as part of their occupation) were true and real sources of enormous stores of oral and written information, and were exposed regularly to things that more sedentary people and locale-affixed people were not (that's always been the case of course, but this just underscores it - there might be said to be a sort of exception to this rule through use of modern technology but nothing beats actual travel and exploration to develop a real base of experience).</p><p></p><p>Anyway, as far as I'm concerned this type of material is perfect for my own setting, and I intend to research this whole subject far more thoroughly when I get the chance. Occasionally I go on archaeological expeditions and note-rendering systems like this would be ideal methods of record keeping (rather than just creating dry data points, making descriptions in correlation to a wide range of background material relevant to whatever you're exploring or investigating.) Also this would also be a good method of describing a Vadding expedition, and would even make a good literary exercise for a fictional story. </p><p></p><p>You could also take a system like this, adapt it into a short hand code, and make excellent military and INTEL use of the information it contained without anyone knowing the real purpose of the information. (Because number one it would be encoded, and number two rather than being coordinate specific or mapped - thus giving a clue as to actual intent, it would look like a sort of meandering set of travel or tourist information or directions.) In other words it would be as useful in land navigation of areas where prior data is lacking as it would be for maritime navigation. That is you could encode and make it as tactically detailed as possible to describe small areas (sort of like a CIA factbook in localized detail), put it on a phone app and locate specific places and people when you don't have already developed coordinates and photographs (and other data) for reference. You gather your information first and then use that to guide you locating efforts and you don't have to arouse suspicion in attempting to locate someone by asking a bunch of questions in the field as you work. As a matter of fact I think I'm gonna write up a little proposal for study of the matter and pass it on to some others.</p><p></p><p>Gall you have a real talent for research and as a scientist, an historian, and a hobbyist this thread is almost always both extremely interesting and very, very useful.</p><p></p><p>I'd have to say it is my favorite single thread here as well.</p><p>I could mine this thing for data and information for weeks and find some interesting use for most of it.</p><p></p><p>Excellent work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jack7, post: 4843259, member: 54707"] Indeed EM. What I find fascinating is that the author mentions cities like Meroe and places like Scythia (for instance) in reference to their locations, cultural and religious habits, dietary traditions, and histories (both present for that time and historical as understood by the traveler) etc. as a means of navigational and geographical identification. Which if you stop to think about it awhile would be a perfectly logical and entirely useful method of navigation. It also shows one exactly how individuals such as mariners, traders, merchants, adventurers, soldiers, etc. (people who traveled from place to place as part of their occupation) were true and real sources of enormous stores of oral and written information, and were exposed regularly to things that more sedentary people and locale-affixed people were not (that's always been the case of course, but this just underscores it - there might be said to be a sort of exception to this rule through use of modern technology but nothing beats actual travel and exploration to develop a real base of experience). Anyway, as far as I'm concerned this type of material is perfect for my own setting, and I intend to research this whole subject far more thoroughly when I get the chance. Occasionally I go on archaeological expeditions and note-rendering systems like this would be ideal methods of record keeping (rather than just creating dry data points, making descriptions in correlation to a wide range of background material relevant to whatever you're exploring or investigating.) Also this would also be a good method of describing a Vadding expedition, and would even make a good literary exercise for a fictional story. You could also take a system like this, adapt it into a short hand code, and make excellent military and INTEL use of the information it contained without anyone knowing the real purpose of the information. (Because number one it would be encoded, and number two rather than being coordinate specific or mapped - thus giving a clue as to actual intent, it would look like a sort of meandering set of travel or tourist information or directions.) In other words it would be as useful in land navigation of areas where prior data is lacking as it would be for maritime navigation. That is you could encode and make it as tactically detailed as possible to describe small areas (sort of like a CIA factbook in localized detail), put it on a phone app and locate specific places and people when you don't have already developed coordinates and photographs (and other data) for reference. You gather your information first and then use that to guide you locating efforts and you don't have to arouse suspicion in attempting to locate someone by asking a bunch of questions in the field as you work. As a matter of fact I think I'm gonna write up a little proposal for study of the matter and pass it on to some others. Gall you have a real talent for research and as a scientist, an historian, and a hobbyist this thread is almost always both extremely interesting and very, very useful. I'd have to say it is my favorite single thread here as well. I could mine this thing for data and information for weeks and find some interesting use for most of it. Excellent work. [/QUOTE]
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