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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 9253891" data-attributes="member: 2209"><p>In 4e you are unlikely to get a group of 10 non-minions for a fight, while a group of 10 minions in a fight is common supporting a leader or normal monsters. It is sort of the action movie premise of encounters generally either being against a few decent challenge foes, while if there are hordes of bad guys that you actually fight, a bunch are mooks.</p><p></p><p>You could do a fight in the 4e encounter guidelines where each of the five PCs was up against two non-minion kobolds who were each a couple levels lower than the PCs and the math might work out within suggested encounter design guidelines. Similarly every four minions are generally equal to a levelled monster, so the typical full minion fight for a party of five would be about 20 minion kobolds. If you made the minions higher level the math might still work to be within the target level range and xp budget with only 10 minions for encounter design in 4e. So in 4e you could generally work the math to have the two fights come out as roughly the same challenge by altering different parameters. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>That said if there were two groups of 10 one being minions and one being tough guys as measured by hp you would pretty much be left identifying them to the PCs the same way you would distinguish between encountering 10 base kobolds in 5e (5 hp) and then 10 thug kobolds (32 hp). Or 10 base kobolds in 3.5 and 10 level 5 warrior kobolds.</p><p></p><p>Presumably there is some narrative reason that the two groups are different, rank and file warriors versus elite guard roles or different gangs or whatever and distinguishing between them would probably be based on that. Maybe the scrap warriors of base kobolds have a mouse symbol while the elite guard unit has a raven symbol. Maybe the high level minions gang members are the claw gang while the lower level non-minions are the fang gang.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 9253891, member: 2209"] In 4e you are unlikely to get a group of 10 non-minions for a fight, while a group of 10 minions in a fight is common supporting a leader or normal monsters. It is sort of the action movie premise of encounters generally either being against a few decent challenge foes, while if there are hordes of bad guys that you actually fight, a bunch are mooks. You could do a fight in the 4e encounter guidelines where each of the five PCs was up against two non-minion kobolds who were each a couple levels lower than the PCs and the math might work out within suggested encounter design guidelines. Similarly every four minions are generally equal to a levelled monster, so the typical full minion fight for a party of five would be about 20 minion kobolds. If you made the minions higher level the math might still work to be within the target level range and xp budget with only 10 minions for encounter design in 4e. So in 4e you could generally work the math to have the two fights come out as roughly the same challenge by altering different parameters. :) That said if there were two groups of 10 one being minions and one being tough guys as measured by hp you would pretty much be left identifying them to the PCs the same way you would distinguish between encountering 10 base kobolds in 5e (5 hp) and then 10 thug kobolds (32 hp). Or 10 base kobolds in 3.5 and 10 level 5 warrior kobolds. Presumably there is some narrative reason that the two groups are different, rank and file warriors versus elite guard roles or different gangs or whatever and distinguishing between them would probably be based on that. Maybe the scrap warriors of base kobolds have a mouse symbol while the elite guard unit has a raven symbol. Maybe the high level minions gang members are the claw gang while the lower level non-minions are the fang gang. [/QUOTE]
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