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<blockquote data-quote="Lojaan" data-source="post: 9022598" data-attributes="member: 71784"><p>Meditation and understanding oneself in the universe is pretty big in all magical and religious traditions all over the world. </p><p></p><p>As for the laser blasts and cloud flying all that - these are all different concepts, some from very different places. Some are clearly clerics, or paladins, or barbarians, some are supernatural creatures, some are warrior/mage/gish types. Take out the 'Asian' angle and they are not the same thing. Putting them all in the same class is just like trying to make an "Asian person from pop culture" class (which is incidentally where the monk class came from in the first place).</p><p></p><p>The problem with the monk is very similar to the problem with the "witch". It is very difficult to settle on a "witch" because the name incorporates a bunch of different - and separate - things. You get;</p><p></p><p>Witch as person who consorts with demons (warlock)</p><p>Witch as person who learned magic and has familiar (wizard)</p><p>Witch as lady person who knows magic (wizard, sorcerer, bard, druid, cleric)</p><p>Witch as a priestess of the "olde faith" (bard, druid, cleric)</p><p>Witch as a nature magic person (druid)</p><p>Witch as a lady person who was born with dangerous powers (sorcerer)</p><p>Witch as an evil old lady magic person, nemesis of children, who cackles, has a cauldron, curses people etc.. (monster: hag)</p><p></p><p>You can see how trying to squeeze all these together into the same class is always going to be weird and unsatisfying. They don't fit together because they are different things. Take away the word 'witch' and it is clear how different they are. Same with monk. Take out the "Asian person" and you have a bunch of very different concepts and archetypes that are not serviced by squishing them together.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lojaan, post: 9022598, member: 71784"] Meditation and understanding oneself in the universe is pretty big in all magical and religious traditions all over the world. As for the laser blasts and cloud flying all that - these are all different concepts, some from very different places. Some are clearly clerics, or paladins, or barbarians, some are supernatural creatures, some are warrior/mage/gish types. Take out the 'Asian' angle and they are not the same thing. Putting them all in the same class is just like trying to make an "Asian person from pop culture" class (which is incidentally where the monk class came from in the first place). The problem with the monk is very similar to the problem with the "witch". It is very difficult to settle on a "witch" because the name incorporates a bunch of different - and separate - things. You get; Witch as person who consorts with demons (warlock) Witch as person who learned magic and has familiar (wizard) Witch as lady person who knows magic (wizard, sorcerer, bard, druid, cleric) Witch as a priestess of the "olde faith" (bard, druid, cleric) Witch as a nature magic person (druid) Witch as a lady person who was born with dangerous powers (sorcerer) Witch as an evil old lady magic person, nemesis of children, who cackles, has a cauldron, curses people etc.. (monster: hag) You can see how trying to squeeze all these together into the same class is always going to be weird and unsatisfying. They don't fit together because they are different things. Take away the word 'witch' and it is clear how different they are. Same with monk. Take out the "Asian person" and you have a bunch of very different concepts and archetypes that are not serviced by squishing them together. [/QUOTE]
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