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How a ****ing cantrip exterminates an entire school of magic. NO MORE OF THAT!
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<blockquote data-quote="cjosephs1s" data-source="post: 5713595" data-attributes="member: 6683450"><p>Ok so I didn't take the time to read but a few of the posts in this thread having solved the problem by then so I may be repeating the solution. </p><p> </p><p>Ok Detect magic does exactly what it says and I think we all agree on that so lets focus on Illusions. First off lets define Illusions and to do so forget what SRD says and use the PHB as this is the offical source not the ammended paraphrased source. Illusions are basically tricks of the mind and that is the key. So even if you conjure an illusion such as a <em>silent image</em> its not the image that gives off magic as this is not where the magic is directed. If it was then this would be a conjuration spell. The way this spell works is you try to trick those around you to believe there is something there, hence the magic is affecting their minds. So even if they detect magic they will only get at most that it is an illusion on their minds but won't know what, or where and must still save or see it. </p><p> </p><p>The key to almost all Illusions (shadow spells not included) is that they are tricks on the subjects mind, not actual things going on. They are mind effecting spells and nothing more so the magic is directed at the PC's mind, not the actual thing the spell does. This is why on many illusions you must interact with it for your mind to understand that it is not real (as it is very possible with magic or just in general that it could be. Who is the common peasant to say that the red dragon at the edge of the city isn't real and ready to burn them to bits) </p><p> </p><p>Even you or I can fall subject to Illusions of today. Think of mega superstar magicians such as Hoodini, David Copperfield, and Chris Angel. Are these tricks really magic or Illusions? If magic actually did exist who would be able to tell that? We know it doesn't so we know somehow they tricked our mind but becuase we can't figure it out we have all failed our saving throws even though we know its not real..it still looks real, acts real, and feels real. Heat waves coming off the road cause it to wave and distort in the distance. Is the road really moving? Physics tells us no but our mind still sees it. Just as a magic illusion works the same. We see the red dragon but once we walk through it our mind realizes it is an Illusion even though we can still see it, but we no longer believe it. Why? because the magic is still trying to affect our minds and this is why I may know it is an Illusion but you may not. </p><p> </p><p>So does Detect magic negate Illusions? no. Could it give a bonus to a saving throw? Yes but only if the person knows what to look for that could be the illusion which means they are studying the illusion anyway and think it might not be real. </p><p> </p><p>This is why Detect Magic does not detect most Illusion spells unless they actually conjure something(such as shadow spells) but True Seeing does as this spell lets you see the world as it really is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cjosephs1s, post: 5713595, member: 6683450"] Ok so I didn't take the time to read but a few of the posts in this thread having solved the problem by then so I may be repeating the solution. Ok Detect magic does exactly what it says and I think we all agree on that so lets focus on Illusions. First off lets define Illusions and to do so forget what SRD says and use the PHB as this is the offical source not the ammended paraphrased source. Illusions are basically tricks of the mind and that is the key. So even if you conjure an illusion such as a [I]silent image[/I] its not the image that gives off magic as this is not where the magic is directed. If it was then this would be a conjuration spell. The way this spell works is you try to trick those around you to believe there is something there, hence the magic is affecting their minds. So even if they detect magic they will only get at most that it is an illusion on their minds but won't know what, or where and must still save or see it. The key to almost all Illusions (shadow spells not included) is that they are tricks on the subjects mind, not actual things going on. They are mind effecting spells and nothing more so the magic is directed at the PC's mind, not the actual thing the spell does. This is why on many illusions you must interact with it for your mind to understand that it is not real (as it is very possible with magic or just in general that it could be. Who is the common peasant to say that the red dragon at the edge of the city isn't real and ready to burn them to bits) Even you or I can fall subject to Illusions of today. Think of mega superstar magicians such as Hoodini, David Copperfield, and Chris Angel. Are these tricks really magic or Illusions? If magic actually did exist who would be able to tell that? We know it doesn't so we know somehow they tricked our mind but becuase we can't figure it out we have all failed our saving throws even though we know its not real..it still looks real, acts real, and feels real. Heat waves coming off the road cause it to wave and distort in the distance. Is the road really moving? Physics tells us no but our mind still sees it. Just as a magic illusion works the same. We see the red dragon but once we walk through it our mind realizes it is an Illusion even though we can still see it, but we no longer believe it. Why? because the magic is still trying to affect our minds and this is why I may know it is an Illusion but you may not. So does Detect magic negate Illusions? no. Could it give a bonus to a saving throw? Yes but only if the person knows what to look for that could be the illusion which means they are studying the illusion anyway and think it might not be real. This is why Detect Magic does not detect most Illusion spells unless they actually conjure something(such as shadow spells) but True Seeing does as this spell lets you see the world as it really is. [/QUOTE]
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