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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 7286657" data-attributes="member: 5890"><p>Well... maybe. Strictly speaking, when the wizard said "I cast spell X", initiative gets rolled, with the PCs surprised. If he beats the enemy wizard on initiative, the barbarian doesn't know what's happening precisely, just that his instincts are going off. You don't just get a free attack by being the first to say "I attack", even if you append "...sneakily" to it.</p><p></p><p>My guess (from the descriptions given) is that the DM just put every PC and the simulacrum in a 5 foot huddle in the open, which is pretty cheesy.</p><p></p><p>Sure, lots of vagaries. We also don't even know if he's the right type of barbarian (a totem barbarian wouldn't get anything for instance). I was just filling out the scenario in a way that wasn't so cut and dried.</p><p></p><p>The invalid bit is the:</p><p>"While the Simulacrum was using Distant Metamagic + Earth Bind (600 feet range, Wait what?) + Quicken Empowered Repelling Eldrich Blast."</p><p></p><p>That's a full powered spell + a quickened cantrip, and you can't swap the quicken to the full spell because you're already using metamagic on it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. Fundamentally the 'coffeelock' thing isn't really changing the encounter, because so far their foe isn't actually digging deep on resources. The problem is that you're facing a mobile pair of foes alpha striking on an apparently featureless plain while your group are all bunched up within 5' of each other, and you have zero defenses.</p><p></p><p>It's not unwinnable, but standing about in the open concentrating on spells isn't going to cut it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 7286657, member: 5890"] Well... maybe. Strictly speaking, when the wizard said "I cast spell X", initiative gets rolled, with the PCs surprised. If he beats the enemy wizard on initiative, the barbarian doesn't know what's happening precisely, just that his instincts are going off. You don't just get a free attack by being the first to say "I attack", even if you append "...sneakily" to it. My guess (from the descriptions given) is that the DM just put every PC and the simulacrum in a 5 foot huddle in the open, which is pretty cheesy. Sure, lots of vagaries. We also don't even know if he's the right type of barbarian (a totem barbarian wouldn't get anything for instance). I was just filling out the scenario in a way that wasn't so cut and dried. The invalid bit is the: "While the Simulacrum was using Distant Metamagic + Earth Bind (600 feet range, Wait what?) + Quicken Empowered Repelling Eldrich Blast." That's a full powered spell + a quickened cantrip, and you can't swap the quicken to the full spell because you're already using metamagic on it. Agreed. Fundamentally the 'coffeelock' thing isn't really changing the encounter, because so far their foe isn't actually digging deep on resources. The problem is that you're facing a mobile pair of foes alpha striking on an apparently featureless plain while your group are all bunched up within 5' of each other, and you have zero defenses. It's not unwinnable, but standing about in the open concentrating on spells isn't going to cut it. [/QUOTE]
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