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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6789050" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Because what I said has lots of nuance, I can agree with your disagreement to some extent, and not feel discomforted. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>One complexity you can run into is that it is possible for a Chaotic (at least one less than supernaturally pure) to create laws and institutions intended to sustain and protect their chaotic ideas and way of life, and it is likewise possible for a Lawful to give his loyalty to those laws and institutions particularly once they become established tradition and custom even though their original purpose is not Lawful. And the two rather strange persons you speculate about in your post aren't really all that strange or unexpected in cases where that has in fact happened.</p><p></p><p>The Lawful person seeing a "private property" sign respect the private property because it is a matter of law and custom. A Chaotic person might do the same, but for an entirely different reason - because they respect the owner, or because they themselves would want to be treated that way where the situation reversed. </p><p></p><p>But it's entirely possible to equally speculate on a lawful person who would not respect the "private property" sign, either because he believes private property is a reprehensible concept responsible for much of the evils of the world, or because he believes he has the force of law on his side - a warrant, or a claim of eminent domain, or probable cause, or what not and so doesn't need to respect the property. And of course, you might have a chaotic person believe that he has no need to respect the law or even the person, but that he may trespass either because the law is wrong or because as long as he does no harm then no one has cause to constrain him.</p><p></p><p>In this case it is not enough to know what a person does, but why he does it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6789050, member: 4937"] Because what I said has lots of nuance, I can agree with your disagreement to some extent, and not feel discomforted. :) One complexity you can run into is that it is possible for a Chaotic (at least one less than supernaturally pure) to create laws and institutions intended to sustain and protect their chaotic ideas and way of life, and it is likewise possible for a Lawful to give his loyalty to those laws and institutions particularly once they become established tradition and custom even though their original purpose is not Lawful. And the two rather strange persons you speculate about in your post aren't really all that strange or unexpected in cases where that has in fact happened. The Lawful person seeing a "private property" sign respect the private property because it is a matter of law and custom. A Chaotic person might do the same, but for an entirely different reason - because they respect the owner, or because they themselves would want to be treated that way where the situation reversed. But it's entirely possible to equally speculate on a lawful person who would not respect the "private property" sign, either because he believes private property is a reprehensible concept responsible for much of the evils of the world, or because he believes he has the force of law on his side - a warrant, or a claim of eminent domain, or probable cause, or what not and so doesn't need to respect the property. And of course, you might have a chaotic person believe that he has no need to respect the law or even the person, but that he may trespass either because the law is wrong or because as long as he does no harm then no one has cause to constrain him. In this case it is not enough to know what a person does, but why he does it. [/QUOTE]
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