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<blockquote data-quote="Neuroglyph" data-source="post: 5810455" data-attributes="member: 85633"><p>Negative: WotC is attempting to create a game system by committee, and will have no clear market to sell it to.</p><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If they base the core system too much on the first three editions, they will alienate all the new gamers who jumped on at 4E. These gamers are a younger generation of gamers, internet savvy, possibly drawn into the game by association with PennyArcade and other trendy sources, and could carry the IP into the future if they simply keep refining the 4E game paradigm.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Gamers who are staunch AD&D players are not going to jump at a new edition. They have been offered 2nd and 3rd, 3.5 and Pathfinder, and they are most comfortable dealing with Vancian magic, no skill system, and THAC0.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">D&D players who like 2nd Edition and Skills & Powers are not going to switch unless those elements are used in D&D Next. They too have had the option to switch for several editions, and have stuck with what they like.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">3rd Edition and 3.5 gamers have gravitated to Pathfinder, or are firmly encamped in their enjoyment of that edition. Regardless, none of these gamers will enjoy a core ruleset that draws too much upon previous editions (Basic, AD&D, 2nd Ed), or which tries to utilize 4E powers and combat concepts.</li> </ul><p></p><p>Clearly, they cannot please everyone with a new game system which attempts to be the "core" for all versions of D&D. Someone's favorite features of the game from one edition will have to be left out in order to accommodate some other edition, and that could easily be a deal breaker for them buying into D&D Next.</p><p></p><p>I've been playing D&D since 1978, and have DM'd all editions. I really like D&D 4E, and think it has alot of potential. As others have pointed out, bad marketing and poor playtesting caused problems at launch, but that should not be a reason to dump it. Certainly it is not perfect - no first run at a new game system is - and there are things that could be fixed in order to make it better, and that, to me, is what D&D Next should be.</p><p></p><p>If I wanted to play AD&D, 2nd Ed, 2nd Ed with S&P, 3rd Edition, or 3.5, I merely have to dig into my storage space and pull out my old books. I certainly don't need to spend hundreds on a new edition to do that, and neither does anyone else.</p><p></p><p>So who is gonna be buying D&D Next?</p><p></p><p>Recent Blog:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.neuroglyphgames.com/wizard-watch-are-we-uniting-the-editions" target="_blank">Wizard Watch: Are we “Uniting the Editions” <em>or just selling more books</em>?</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neuroglyph, post: 5810455, member: 85633"] Negative: WotC is attempting to create a game system by committee, and will have no clear market to sell it to. [LIST] [*]If they base the core system too much on the first three editions, they will alienate all the new gamers who jumped on at 4E. These gamers are a younger generation of gamers, internet savvy, possibly drawn into the game by association with PennyArcade and other trendy sources, and could carry the IP into the future if they simply keep refining the 4E game paradigm. [*]Gamers who are staunch AD&D players are not going to jump at a new edition. They have been offered 2nd and 3rd, 3.5 and Pathfinder, and they are most comfortable dealing with Vancian magic, no skill system, and THAC0. [*]D&D players who like 2nd Edition and Skills & Powers are not going to switch unless those elements are used in D&D Next. They too have had the option to switch for several editions, and have stuck with what they like. [*]3rd Edition and 3.5 gamers have gravitated to Pathfinder, or are firmly encamped in their enjoyment of that edition. Regardless, none of these gamers will enjoy a core ruleset that draws too much upon previous editions (Basic, AD&D, 2nd Ed), or which tries to utilize 4E powers and combat concepts. [/LIST] Clearly, they cannot please everyone with a new game system which attempts to be the "core" for all versions of D&D. Someone's favorite features of the game from one edition will have to be left out in order to accommodate some other edition, and that could easily be a deal breaker for them buying into D&D Next. I've been playing D&D since 1978, and have DM'd all editions. I really like D&D 4E, and think it has alot of potential. As others have pointed out, bad marketing and poor playtesting caused problems at launch, but that should not be a reason to dump it. Certainly it is not perfect - no first run at a new game system is - and there are things that could be fixed in order to make it better, and that, to me, is what D&D Next should be. If I wanted to play AD&D, 2nd Ed, 2nd Ed with S&P, 3rd Edition, or 3.5, I merely have to dig into my storage space and pull out my old books. I certainly don't need to spend hundreds on a new edition to do that, and neither does anyone else. So who is gonna be buying D&D Next? Recent Blog: [URL="http://www.neuroglyphgames.com/wizard-watch-are-we-uniting-the-editions"]Wizard Watch: Are we “Uniting the Editions” [I]or just selling more books[/I]?[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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