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How do you fit monks into Occidental campaigns?
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<blockquote data-quote="Man in the Funny Hat" data-source="post: 5367784" data-attributes="member: 32740"><p>Well then I'm either hopelessly dim or incorrigably politically correct or something. Ever since 1E I've pictured almost all monks that I've played or that have been in my games as quite non-oriental, and borrowing nothing more than an utterly unrealistic mysticism from shaolin/buddist aesthetics. I see them being a lot like the Bloodguard from Donaldson's Thomas Covenant books. I see them as nothing more insulting than someone with a Friar Tuck haircut in a brown ghi doing PT in a monastery courtyard. I see them based on the ninja rather than shaolin monks. I see them in terms of Jason Bourne, John McLane, and River Tam and Lu-Tze from Terry Pratchett's discworld, all of which have about as much to do with insulting oriental depictions from bad 1970's films as I have with bodybuilding.</p><p> </p><p>Paladins were originally based on ignorant, murdering crusaders for Christianity, but that's not what I run them as in my games. Assassins were based on the Thugee from India and I still use them in my games. ...</p><p> </p><p>Sorry. I just don't buy the assertion that Monks are an expression of racism. Maybe that's the only way that YOU can think about them. Again, I run a game of D&D set in a world of fantasy. If I use Rome as a culture it's most likely that the only things they share with ACTUAL Roman culture is the armor and weapons and driving chariots and triremes. In real life I'm a Christian, but I use deities from ancient Norse, Indian, African, Japanese, Greek, Roman, and other cultures and regions which doesn't make me an aspostate so I don't think using monks would make anyone a racist - unless they actually play them in an insulting, racist fashion. Even if one DID pattern a monk PC after a bad 1970's chop-socky film does that make the player a racist, and the class racist - or is it nothing more than a humorous homage to ALL bad action movies? I think it can be done BOTH ways, but that can be done with ANY character class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Man in the Funny Hat, post: 5367784, member: 32740"] Well then I'm either hopelessly dim or incorrigably politically correct or something. Ever since 1E I've pictured almost all monks that I've played or that have been in my games as quite non-oriental, and borrowing nothing more than an utterly unrealistic mysticism from shaolin/buddist aesthetics. I see them being a lot like the Bloodguard from Donaldson's Thomas Covenant books. I see them as nothing more insulting than someone with a Friar Tuck haircut in a brown ghi doing PT in a monastery courtyard. I see them based on the ninja rather than shaolin monks. I see them in terms of Jason Bourne, John McLane, and River Tam and Lu-Tze from Terry Pratchett's discworld, all of which have about as much to do with insulting oriental depictions from bad 1970's films as I have with bodybuilding. Paladins were originally based on ignorant, murdering crusaders for Christianity, but that's not what I run them as in my games. Assassins were based on the Thugee from India and I still use them in my games. ... Sorry. I just don't buy the assertion that Monks are an expression of racism. Maybe that's the only way that YOU can think about them. Again, I run a game of D&D set in a world of fantasy. If I use Rome as a culture it's most likely that the only things they share with ACTUAL Roman culture is the armor and weapons and driving chariots and triremes. In real life I'm a Christian, but I use deities from ancient Norse, Indian, African, Japanese, Greek, Roman, and other cultures and regions which doesn't make me an aspostate so I don't think using monks would make anyone a racist - unless they actually play them in an insulting, racist fashion. Even if one DID pattern a monk PC after a bad 1970's chop-socky film does that make the player a racist, and the class racist - or is it nothing more than a humorous homage to ALL bad action movies? I think it can be done BOTH ways, but that can be done with ANY character class. [/QUOTE]
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