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<blockquote data-quote="MNblockhead" data-source="post: 8877800" data-attributes="member: 6796661"><p>From the OED:</p><p><strong>Pronunciation:</strong> <a href="https://public.oed.com/how-to-use-the-oed/key-to-pronunciation/key-to-pronunciation-british-english/" target="_blank">Brit.</a> Hear pronunciation/ɡrɒnˈjɑː/, Hear pronunciation/ˈɡrɒɡnɑːd/, <a href="https://public.oed.com/how-to-use-the-oed/key-to-pronunciation/key-to-pronunciation-US-english/" target="_blank">U.S.</a> Hear pronunciation/ɡroʊnˈjɑr/, Hear pronunciation/ˈɡroʊɡˌnɑrd/, Hear pronunciation/ˈɡrɑɡˌnɑrd/</p><p></p><p>I've always pronounced it /ˈɡrɑɡˌnɑrd/</p><p></p><p>Was interested to see the definition of the word in the gaming context only entered the OED in 2019 and is still a draft edition. I also find it interesting that 1980 is the first written example of this usage that they cite. Can anyone point to examples of this use of the term that predates 1980? I feel that it should go back to the 1970s.</p><p></p><p>If we find an example, let's submit it: <a href="https://public.oed.com/contribute-to-the-oed/submission-form/?cc=gb&lang=en&" target="_blank">Submission form | Oxford English Dictionary</a></p><p></p><p>Would be cool if this thread led to an update to the OED.</p><p></p><h2>Draft additions June 2019</h2><p></p><p> In gaming contexts: an expert or long-standing player, esp. of war-games or role-playing games.Sometimes with negative connotations of being resistant to change.</p><p>1980 <em>Verbatim</em> Autumn 10/1 In the wargaming hobby, a grognard is ‘a hard-core gamer, one who purchases a dozen or more games a year’.</p><p>1989 <em>Introd. Games</em> in <em>rec.games.board</em> (Usenet newsgroup) 17 Oct. To all grognards and other board wargamers: Please attempt a similar exercise with your collection, and then scan your social environment for candidates to teach these gems to.</p><p>2018 @greg_oose 19 Jan. in <em>twitter.com</em> (O.E.D. Archive) I should have known you were a D&Der! I'm a bit of a grognard myself. Like to play 1st ed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MNblockhead, post: 8877800, member: 6796661"] From the OED: [B]Pronunciation:[/B] [URL='https://public.oed.com/how-to-use-the-oed/key-to-pronunciation/key-to-pronunciation-british-english/']Brit.[/URL] Hear pronunciation/ɡrɒnˈjɑː/, Hear pronunciation/ˈɡrɒɡnɑːd/, [URL='https://public.oed.com/how-to-use-the-oed/key-to-pronunciation/key-to-pronunciation-US-english/']U.S.[/URL] Hear pronunciation/ɡroʊnˈjɑr/, Hear pronunciation/ˈɡroʊɡˌnɑrd/, Hear pronunciation/ˈɡrɑɡˌnɑrd/ I've always pronounced it /ˈɡrɑɡˌnɑrd/ Was interested to see the definition of the word in the gaming context only entered the OED in 2019 and is still a draft edition. I also find it interesting that 1980 is the first written example of this usage that they cite. Can anyone point to examples of this use of the term that predates 1980? I feel that it should go back to the 1970s. If we find an example, let's submit it: [URL='https://public.oed.com/contribute-to-the-oed/submission-form/?cc=gb&lang=en&']Submission form | Oxford English Dictionary[/URL] Would be cool if this thread led to an update to the OED. [HEADING=1]Draft additions June 2019[/HEADING] In gaming contexts: an expert or long-standing player, esp. of war-games or role-playing games.Sometimes with negative connotations of being resistant to change. 1980 [I]Verbatim[/I] Autumn 10/1 In the wargaming hobby, a grognard is ‘a hard-core gamer, one who purchases a dozen or more games a year’. 1989 [I]Introd. Games[/I] in [I]rec.games.board[/I] (Usenet newsgroup) 17 Oct. To all grognards and other board wargamers: Please attempt a similar exercise with your collection, and then scan your social environment for candidates to teach these gems to. 2018 @greg_oose 19 Jan. in [I]twitter.com[/I] (O.E.D. Archive) I should have known you were a D&Der! I'm a bit of a grognard myself. Like to play 1st ed. [/QUOTE]
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