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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6908739" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>I haven't done a thorough mathematical analysis and so can only speak from my own experience running an epic campaign: we don't use Expertise feats (we do use the Essentials defences feats, though) and we don't have an enabling leader (hybrid cleric-ranger who mostly uses rangery stuff with cleric for healing; the sorcerer used to be a Demonskin Adept but now is a Voice of Thunder) and the players don't have too much trouble in combat.</p><p></p><p>At 25th level they took on Torog (with hp and defences as per Underdark, and other stats MM3-ed). I used a d8 escalation die (13th Age style but for the PCs only) to compensate for the level difference (in the fiction, it represented Torog's ebbing power following the destruction of his Soul Abattoir). The fight ended in the round the escalation die showed 5.</p><p></p><p>Admittedly at that time the sorcerer was still a Demonskin Adept, but that's still only 1 round of +3 to hit.</p><p></p><p>I have no real idea how optimised the group is - the subjective feel is of pretty effective characters, but they certainly don't match some of the numbers I see posted here - but the Expertise feats have certainly not seemed to be required.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6908739, member: 42582"] I haven't done a thorough mathematical analysis and so can only speak from my own experience running an epic campaign: we don't use Expertise feats (we do use the Essentials defences feats, though) and we don't have an enabling leader (hybrid cleric-ranger who mostly uses rangery stuff with cleric for healing; the sorcerer used to be a Demonskin Adept but now is a Voice of Thunder) and the players don't have too much trouble in combat. At 25th level they took on Torog (with hp and defences as per Underdark, and other stats MM3-ed). I used a d8 escalation die (13th Age style but for the PCs only) to compensate for the level difference (in the fiction, it represented Torog's ebbing power following the destruction of his Soul Abattoir). The fight ended in the round the escalation die showed 5. Admittedly at that time the sorcerer was still a Demonskin Adept, but that's still only 1 round of +3 to hit. I have no real idea how optimised the group is - the subjective feel is of pretty effective characters, but they certainly don't match some of the numbers I see posted here - but the Expertise feats have certainly not seemed to be required. [/QUOTE]
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