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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5983976" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>This is complete nonsense. If you do not try for balance you never go anywhere near balance. The few vestiges of balance 3.X had were a legacy of Gygax having explicitely tried for balance and done a lot of polishing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fine. But there is one thing you need to do to allow this. Feed Vancian Magic through the woodchipper. Then take the chips, burn them, and scatter the ashes to the four winds.</p><p></p><p>There is absolutely no problem with a wizard-rogue being as good as a rogue. Or a wizard-fighter being as beefy as a fighter. Where it becomes a problem is if on day 1 the wizard is a wizard-rogue, and on day 2 the wizard is a wizard-fighter. If the wizard has <em>any</em> foreknowledge of what is coming he can guess right and be as useful as the best class for that day. So everyone might as well be a wizard.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The above is blatant double standards for an obvious reason. The fighter's abilities are only useful in combat. But if the wizard picks abilities to only be useful in combat he's a poor wizard. I agree with the assessment on both. Because the fighter is incredibly limited.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand the 2e fighter (or post UA fighter) is a killing machine. He really shines in combat in a way that an attempt at balance fails at.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5983976, member: 87792"] This is complete nonsense. If you do not try for balance you never go anywhere near balance. The few vestiges of balance 3.X had were a legacy of Gygax having explicitely tried for balance and done a lot of polishing. Fine. But there is one thing you need to do to allow this. Feed Vancian Magic through the woodchipper. Then take the chips, burn them, and scatter the ashes to the four winds. There is absolutely no problem with a wizard-rogue being as good as a rogue. Or a wizard-fighter being as beefy as a fighter. Where it becomes a problem is if on day 1 the wizard is a wizard-rogue, and on day 2 the wizard is a wizard-fighter. If the wizard has [I]any[/I] foreknowledge of what is coming he can guess right and be as useful as the best class for that day. So everyone might as well be a wizard. The above is blatant double standards for an obvious reason. The fighter's abilities are only useful in combat. But if the wizard picks abilities to only be useful in combat he's a poor wizard. I agree with the assessment on both. Because the fighter is incredibly limited. On the other hand the 2e fighter (or post UA fighter) is a killing machine. He really shines in combat in a way that an attempt at balance fails at. [/QUOTE]
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