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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 5984297" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>I am not so sure about that...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>...and this is why I am not so sure. </p><p></p><p>Why do a lot of people play uber? Why do a lot of (other) people don't play uber or see anyone else play uber at their table but still complain that the possibility exists in the game? Because they have competition in mind all the time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is definitely reasonable. </p><p></p><p>From a RPG-immersive point of view is not necessarily a problem. A Fighter that can Climb a mountain but can get a magical lift to the top, what would he choose? It depends on the purpose! If he's climbing for sports, the magical lift would defeat the purpose, but when the purpose is simply getting there, then the majority of characters would take it.</p><p></p><p>But of course in gaming terms it's certainly frustrating when someone in the group too often has a trick to skip a challenge, because the player's purpose is in the challenge.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Aha... but this sounds like competition again to me. "Your PC is twice as good as mine in combat".</p><p></p><p>It's more complex IMHO... if the Druid can fight as well as 2 Fighters then the game is still fine IF the combat is arranged so that while the Druid fights his 2orcs then my Fighter fights her own orc, and both players are challenged enough. If that's so, I don't see why I should be worried about playing the Fighter, except of the worry that in a fight me and the Druid make the mistake of engaging the wrong opponents, in case e.g. there's an orc and an ogre and the weaker PC takes on the ogre while the stronger PC mops the floor with the orc in a round. </p><p></p><p>Thus it is a problem instead, if the Druid dominates to the point that he dispatches his enemies and then starts attacking my orc taking the fun away from me.</p><p></p><p>(the fact that a Druid is better than a Fighter in a fight is a separate issue, that I definitely dislike)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, what I wanted to say is that some group may actually use unbalanced options exactly to balance the best players against the beginners.</p><p></p><p>If I am confident that I have mastered the rules and I have beginner players in the group, maybe it is better to take some subpar choices while suggesting the beginners which are the best choices. </p><p></p><p>If all choices were equal, the only way to balance the players to contribute equally would be to purposefully downplay my character which is much much less fun.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 5984297, member: 1465"] I am not so sure about that... ...and this is why I am not so sure. Why do a lot of people play uber? Why do a lot of (other) people don't play uber or see anyone else play uber at their table but still complain that the possibility exists in the game? Because they have competition in mind all the time. This is definitely reasonable. From a RPG-immersive point of view is not necessarily a problem. A Fighter that can Climb a mountain but can get a magical lift to the top, what would he choose? It depends on the purpose! If he's climbing for sports, the magical lift would defeat the purpose, but when the purpose is simply getting there, then the majority of characters would take it. But of course in gaming terms it's certainly frustrating when someone in the group too often has a trick to skip a challenge, because the player's purpose is in the challenge. Aha... but this sounds like competition again to me. "Your PC is twice as good as mine in combat". It's more complex IMHO... if the Druid can fight as well as 2 Fighters then the game is still fine IF the combat is arranged so that while the Druid fights his 2orcs then my Fighter fights her own orc, and both players are challenged enough. If that's so, I don't see why I should be worried about playing the Fighter, except of the worry that in a fight me and the Druid make the mistake of engaging the wrong opponents, in case e.g. there's an orc and an ogre and the weaker PC takes on the ogre while the stronger PC mops the floor with the orc in a round. Thus it is a problem instead, if the Druid dominates to the point that he dispatches his enemies and then starts attacking my orc taking the fun away from me. (the fact that a Druid is better than a Fighter in a fight is a separate issue, that I definitely dislike) Well, what I wanted to say is that some group may actually use unbalanced options exactly to balance the best players against the beginners. If I am confident that I have mastered the rules and I have beginner players in the group, maybe it is better to take some subpar choices while suggesting the beginners which are the best choices. If all choices were equal, the only way to balance the players to contribute equally would be to purposefully downplay my character which is much much less fun. [/QUOTE]
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