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<blockquote data-quote="timASW" data-source="post: 6015092" data-attributes="member: 6698787"><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">NO. It means they are immune to ANY SPELL OR SUPERNATURAL EFFECT THAT THEY ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY NOTED AS BEING VULNERABLE TO IN THEIR MONSTER ENTRY. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">And you'll notice I didnt argue Web or Grease. They dont affect it directly so yes, I would houserule that they work. But it would be a HOUSERULE. The RAW is that they do not work. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">But all they do is slow it down. They dont beat it. So they dont really matter for the point of this discussion. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">This seems to be revolving around GLITTERDUST. Which is hilarious because sure it blinds him for a while if you allow it to work (against RAW) but it still doesnt BEAT HIM. It makes him take longer to pound your mage into paste because he'll miss some. But you still havent HURT IT. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Not one bit, not one point. Your wizard hasnt won the fight. All any of these spells do is make it temporarily easier for a martial character to win the fight for him. .</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">No its not all at all consistent. The specific monster entry lists what that monster SPECIFICALLY is vulnerable too. It does not in any way trump the general entry for spells not specifically listed, as that is the point of the general entry in the first place. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">And actually it wouldnt make one shred of sense for them to be vulnerable to glitterdust in the first place, rather then vice versa. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Its a stone or iron statue. It doesnt have eyes. How the hell does DUST affect it? Theres no eyeballs, no nerves connecting them, no brain its attached to, no pain reflex of things in the eye, no tear reflex to flush the eye, because THERE IS NO EYE. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">So how exactly are you going to claim that it "makes sense" for a creature like a golem to be affected by glowing dust in the eyes?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="timASW, post: 6015092, member: 6698787"] [INDENT] NO. It means they are immune to ANY SPELL OR SUPERNATURAL EFFECT THAT THEY ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY NOTED AS BEING VULNERABLE TO IN THEIR MONSTER ENTRY. And you'll notice I didnt argue Web or Grease. They dont affect it directly so yes, I would houserule that they work. But it would be a HOUSERULE. The RAW is that they do not work. But all they do is slow it down. They dont beat it. So they dont really matter for the point of this discussion. This seems to be revolving around GLITTERDUST. Which is hilarious because sure it blinds him for a while if you allow it to work (against RAW) but it still doesnt BEAT HIM. It makes him take longer to pound your mage into paste because he'll miss some. But you still havent HURT IT. Not one bit, not one point. Your wizard hasnt won the fight. All any of these spells do is make it temporarily easier for a martial character to win the fight for him. . No its not all at all consistent. The specific monster entry lists what that monster SPECIFICALLY is vulnerable too. It does not in any way trump the general entry for spells not specifically listed, as that is the point of the general entry in the first place. And actually it wouldnt make one shred of sense for them to be vulnerable to glitterdust in the first place, rather then vice versa. Its a stone or iron statue. It doesnt have eyes. How the hell does DUST affect it? Theres no eyeballs, no nerves connecting them, no brain its attached to, no pain reflex of things in the eye, no tear reflex to flush the eye, because THERE IS NO EYE. So how exactly are you going to claim that it "makes sense" for a creature like a golem to be affected by glowing dust in the eyes?[/indent] [/QUOTE]
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