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<blockquote data-quote="momatoes" data-source="post: 8201442" data-attributes="member: 7029693"><p>Hey, it's always good to learn people are interested in SEA. And I appreciate that you went through efforts of learning more. But there's also a wealth of information available out there, and unfortunately .gov and Wikipedia article don't reflect this depth much. For example, as you may know, in Myanmar/Burma there is a political cloud on the name of the country; UN reflects it as one name, other countries reflect it as another. And governments claim toponyms as political tools. For example, China's nine-dash-line for its claim over the China Sea. So to rely on gov (especially gov!) and Wikipedia as sources can provide a terribly incomplete context.</p><p></p><p>The issue with the poetic names is that a lot of times colonizers used it to call us. And then gov'ts just thought, hey let's use that for political purposes, for brownie points. Or alternately, it was formed as basis of a PR campaign that didn't have grounded roots in native experience.</p><p></p><p>And most of the time the citizens themselves, the people, don't consider that as part of their "real" heritage. In fact, your words reveal this too:</p><p></p><p><strong> I've encountered several times that I'm more familiar with the traditional poetic names of a country than are present-day representatives of that nationality.</strong></p><p></p><p>Don't you think it's weird that poetic names are applied to a country without its own people knowing or agreeing to it? These names haven't been organically acknowledged by the people, but rather imposed by institutions (and Westerners!) capitalizing on its political value. And these terms get used as a catch-all to "elevate" or "compliment" these countries as if SEA people had any meaningful attachment to the toponyms.</p><p></p><p>It's like saying you're honoring someone or their true self by calling them by their Twitter handle, which their mom only picked for them because it was the only one left that seemed decently witty enough to gain clout.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Edit: I hope this doesn't stop you pursuing interests in other cultures. If you would like a good book for SEA, Ancient Southeast Asia (Routledge) by John Norman Miksic is recommended by someone I trust and also provides a compelling account of SEA'S rich history beyond taglines. Others may have better recommendations as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="momatoes, post: 8201442, member: 7029693"] Hey, it's always good to learn people are interested in SEA. And I appreciate that you went through efforts of learning more. But there's also a wealth of information available out there, and unfortunately .gov and Wikipedia article don't reflect this depth much. For example, as you may know, in Myanmar/Burma there is a political cloud on the name of the country; UN reflects it as one name, other countries reflect it as another. And governments claim toponyms as political tools. For example, China's nine-dash-line for its claim over the China Sea. So to rely on gov (especially gov!) and Wikipedia as sources can provide a terribly incomplete context. The issue with the poetic names is that a lot of times colonizers used it to call us. And then gov'ts just thought, hey let's use that for political purposes, for brownie points. Or alternately, it was formed as basis of a PR campaign that didn't have grounded roots in native experience. And most of the time the citizens themselves, the people, don't consider that as part of their "real" heritage. In fact, your words reveal this too: [B] I've encountered several times that I'm more familiar with the traditional poetic names of a country than are present-day representatives of that nationality.[/B] Don't you think it's weird that poetic names are applied to a country without its own people knowing or agreeing to it? These names haven't been organically acknowledged by the people, but rather imposed by institutions (and Westerners!) capitalizing on its political value. And these terms get used as a catch-all to "elevate" or "compliment" these countries as if SEA people had any meaningful attachment to the toponyms. It's like saying you're honoring someone or their true self by calling them by their Twitter handle, which their mom only picked for them because it was the only one left that seemed decently witty enough to gain clout. Edit: I hope this doesn't stop you pursuing interests in other cultures. If you would like a good book for SEA, Ancient Southeast Asia (Routledge) by John Norman Miksic is recommended by someone I trust and also provides a compelling account of SEA'S rich history beyond taglines. Others may have better recommendations as well. [/QUOTE]
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