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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6125488" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Marv in D&D terms is probably LE with above average charisma. He's somewhat physically attractive, imposing, intimidating, and is written to gain the reader's sympathy despite his violent tendencies. He's really big on Vengence, and has an externally reviewable code of honor, and has no compunction against using torture. This is strongly IMO within the LE moral frame work - "When someone hits you, hit them back twice as hard." and "More than an eye for an eye; more than a tooth for a tooth." When approached by the authorities he agrees to sacrifice himself for the greater good.</p><p></p><p>This character in my opinion is nothing like Marv. Mickey Rourke may not be conventionally handsome like Tom Cruise, but he is certainly charismatic - Mickey playing this character would need to be viler and less attractive. This character won't easily get sympathy from anyone except maybe after some insight pity. Noone wants to be in his company. As a CN he's probably much more motivated by self-defence than vengeance, and he probably doesn't care much if he's insulted or reviled - people have a right to their opinion, right - unless it becomes a real threat to him. It's not that he couldn't bear a grudge, it's just he wouldn't see not bearing a grudge as a sign of unforgivable weakness nor would he necessarily see the ability to dominate others as the measure of a person. Indeed, as a CN he's probably uncomfortable both with making others do what he wants or anyone else lording over others. Personal freedom is very important to him, and he's not evil so using evil to get his way makes him really uncomfortable. He might not outright refuse to torture someone, but he wouldn't want to do it and he'd certainly not prefer it. Just because you put 'chaotic' in front of your alignment doesn't give you blanket right to do whatever you want to anyone else. CN is not equal to CE lite.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6125488, member: 4937"] Marv in D&D terms is probably LE with above average charisma. He's somewhat physically attractive, imposing, intimidating, and is written to gain the reader's sympathy despite his violent tendencies. He's really big on Vengence, and has an externally reviewable code of honor, and has no compunction against using torture. This is strongly IMO within the LE moral frame work - "When someone hits you, hit them back twice as hard." and "More than an eye for an eye; more than a tooth for a tooth." When approached by the authorities he agrees to sacrifice himself for the greater good. This character in my opinion is nothing like Marv. Mickey Rourke may not be conventionally handsome like Tom Cruise, but he is certainly charismatic - Mickey playing this character would need to be viler and less attractive. This character won't easily get sympathy from anyone except maybe after some insight pity. Noone wants to be in his company. As a CN he's probably much more motivated by self-defence than vengeance, and he probably doesn't care much if he's insulted or reviled - people have a right to their opinion, right - unless it becomes a real threat to him. It's not that he couldn't bear a grudge, it's just he wouldn't see not bearing a grudge as a sign of unforgivable weakness nor would he necessarily see the ability to dominate others as the measure of a person. Indeed, as a CN he's probably uncomfortable both with making others do what he wants or anyone else lording over others. Personal freedom is very important to him, and he's not evil so using evil to get his way makes him really uncomfortable. He might not outright refuse to torture someone, but he wouldn't want to do it and he'd certainly not prefer it. Just because you put 'chaotic' in front of your alignment doesn't give you blanket right to do whatever you want to anyone else. CN is not equal to CE lite. [/QUOTE]
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