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<blockquote data-quote="gban007" data-source="post: 9282719" data-attributes="member: 56488"><p>Just getting a bit confused between these two - you talk about different committees, and under each more people, even people who sit by a door checking badges - isn't that multiple levels as such?</p><p></p><p>If less then 10-12 Westerners, I imagine they weren't all doing the same sort of job / at same level of responsibility as such?</p><p></p><p>For the 'they' part - even if all from same pool, there can be groupings. I was part of a Lego fan group for a number of years, but never on the committee as such - I could go to AGMs and vote, but here were some decisions made purely by the committee - powers we vested them with - but any decision made by the committee I could say 'they made the decision, I wasn't part of that' even if I was part of the wider fan group. At times the committee members would have separate meetings that others weren't able to join, and then certainly couldn't be held directly responsible, if still indirectly for giving them the power in the first place. Other times it may be just choosing not to make use of opportunities available, in which case at least partly responsible for choosing not to take any action. Then there would be fans not part of the fan group who may go along to various brick shows, who could refer to 'they' as the whole fan group, but not include the fans not part of the fan group as such, so I think 'they' can be applied. There may not be castle walls, but if different groups have different / powers / responsibilities then can be segregated as such. Some WSFS members may feel they had no opportunity to have a say in some of the decisions, so wouldn't consider themselves included in any groupings taking the blame as such. Other people may be fans of the Hugos, but not members of WSFS, so certainly wouldn't feel responsible for any issues, but could feel aggrieved at issues that did arise due to the actions of others.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, from what you've said, if I'm understanding correctly:</p><p></p><p>WSFS(?) membership itself has some 1,000 members or the like who participate in voting, but can also participate in helping administrate / help out with the con. </p><p></p><p>Most years, we have lots of volunteers helping out in addition, who may or may not be members, but last year's worldcon, potentially due to location, didn't have as many fans helping out in general with the level of experience that prior years had. This put more responsibility on the shoulders of the few as such, creating a greater likelihood that things could go wrong / be missed / be misadministered as the normal people who could be helping / peer reviewing etc and may have caught / prevented issues in the past, weren't there this time, and so to help prevent this occurring in future need more of that fan support base in place?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gban007, post: 9282719, member: 56488"] Just getting a bit confused between these two - you talk about different committees, and under each more people, even people who sit by a door checking badges - isn't that multiple levels as such? If less then 10-12 Westerners, I imagine they weren't all doing the same sort of job / at same level of responsibility as such? For the 'they' part - even if all from same pool, there can be groupings. I was part of a Lego fan group for a number of years, but never on the committee as such - I could go to AGMs and vote, but here were some decisions made purely by the committee - powers we vested them with - but any decision made by the committee I could say 'they made the decision, I wasn't part of that' even if I was part of the wider fan group. At times the committee members would have separate meetings that others weren't able to join, and then certainly couldn't be held directly responsible, if still indirectly for giving them the power in the first place. Other times it may be just choosing not to make use of opportunities available, in which case at least partly responsible for choosing not to take any action. Then there would be fans not part of the fan group who may go along to various brick shows, who could refer to 'they' as the whole fan group, but not include the fans not part of the fan group as such, so I think 'they' can be applied. There may not be castle walls, but if different groups have different / powers / responsibilities then can be segregated as such. Some WSFS members may feel they had no opportunity to have a say in some of the decisions, so wouldn't consider themselves included in any groupings taking the blame as such. Other people may be fans of the Hugos, but not members of WSFS, so certainly wouldn't feel responsible for any issues, but could feel aggrieved at issues that did arise due to the actions of others. Anyway, from what you've said, if I'm understanding correctly: WSFS(?) membership itself has some 1,000 members or the like who participate in voting, but can also participate in helping administrate / help out with the con. Most years, we have lots of volunteers helping out in addition, who may or may not be members, but last year's worldcon, potentially due to location, didn't have as many fans helping out in general with the level of experience that prior years had. This put more responsibility on the shoulders of the few as such, creating a greater likelihood that things could go wrong / be missed / be misadministered as the normal people who could be helping / peer reviewing etc and may have caught / prevented issues in the past, weren't there this time, and so to help prevent this occurring in future need more of that fan support base in place? [/QUOTE]
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